Topic: Doctor Who

[Dragonfire]

Just a quick Doctor Who update since I was posting about that here earlier. 
I'm now done with season 4. 
I think I'll start on the specials later tonight.

[Najemikon]

Just a quick Doctor Who update since I was posting about that here earlier. 
I'm now done with season 4. 
I think I'll start on the specials later tonight.

What did you think of the finale and Donna's situation? I thought it was haunting...

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that she could never know what happened.

[Dragonfire]

Just a quick Doctor Who update since I was posting about that here earlier. 
I'm now done with season 4. 
I think I'll start on the specials later tonight.

What did you think of the finale and Donna's situation? I thought it was haunting...

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that she could never know what happened.

Oh definitely haunting.

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The fact that she couldn't remember anything about the Doctor and what they did was so sad.  It seemed like he was upset about that too, but did what he had to do so she'd keep her sanity.  But that was a bit depressing.  In some ways, worse than when he lost Rose.  At least they still had their memories of each other..and now Rose has her Doctor clone or whatever he is. 
When Rose came back though...that was wonderful.  That was so great when he turned around and saw her.  One of the few moments of pure joy he's shown...stupid Dalek had to show up and ruin it. lol 

I watched Waters of Mars today. 

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The Doctor kind of flipped there a bit.  Although, considering all the death he's had to see, I think it is understandable that he sort of snaps for a bit.  Bit of a different Doctor.

[Najemikon]

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The fact that she couldn't remember anything about the Doctor and what they did was so sad.  It seemed like he was upset about that too, but did what he had to do so she'd keep her sanity.  But that was a bit depressing.  In some ways, worse than when he lost Rose. 

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Yes, especially sad because it was clear Donna was his mate. Someone he would never have a romance with (and the feeling was definitely mutual), but that meant he could be more relaxed with her.

By the way, wasn't the opening episode of series 4 hilarious? The bit where the Doctor and Donna notice each other and start mouthing a conversation, only to realise they've been spotted! 

I watched Waters of Mars today. 

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The Doctor kind of flipped there a bit.  Although, considering all the death he's had to see, I think it is understandable that he sort of snaps for a bit.  Bit of a different Doctor.

That's the new angle I was talking about the other day. He certainly isn't perfect.

[RossRoy]

I found Waters of Mars a bit weak at first.. that is until it built up to End of Time. Then it put everything in perspective. And at the character point of view, it makes a strong statement as to why the Doctor should have a companion at all times.


One of my favourite scene from End of Time.. Talking about the regeneration process. Look at David when he says "I've done some things..". Powerful stuff.
)Of course, it's a bit spoilerish. Especially if you haven't seen the S4 finale and/or know about Donna's fate(

[Dragonfire]

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Yes, especially sad because it was clear Donna was his mate. Someone he would never have a romance with (and the feeling was definitely mutual), but that meant he could be more relaxed with her.

By the way, wasn't the opening episode of series 4 hilarious? The bit where the Doctor and Donna notice each other and start mouthing a conversation, only to realise they've been spotted! 

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The Doctor kind of flipped there a bit.  Although, considering all the death he's had to see, I think it is understandable that he sort of snaps for a bit.  Bit of a different Doctor.

That's the new angle I was talking about the other day. He certainly isn't perfect.
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This one is about Donna.

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Oh definitely.  They had such a nice friendship without things getting complicated by her falling for him..like with Martha.  And he didn't have as strong of feelings for her as he did Rose.  They could have had all sorts of fun adventures.  They were cute together at times with how they talked to each other...She would sort of put him in his place at time.  She was definitely good for him.  It was really heartbreaking how that worked out.  And when the Doctor took her home, you could see her grandfather was just as upset about it.  He knew how important traveling with the Doctor was to her. 
I did sort of start to suspect it was going to be ..difficult when he and Donna went their separate ways after the episodes in that huge library and they meet River.  How evasive River was about not having met Donna before. 

Oh that first episode of season 4 was hilarious.  I kept thinking they were going to walk into each other with how close they kept coming.  And when they finally spot each other...wonderful.     I loved it. 

Waters of Mars

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No he isn't perfect...but I think that ultimately makes him a stronger character.  It shows that he is capable of making mistakes...and that he needs someone to help keep him in line so to speak.  He can still do stuff alone...but he's better with friends helping to look out for him.  That was definitely a new angle.  A darker sort of Doctor really..though with how long he's lived and what he's seen, it makes sense that he would have some dark periods.  I think when he flipped out a bit, he was still dealing with what happened with Donna..not to mention the fact that he had to say goodbye to Rose again.

[Dragonfire]

I found Waters of Mars a bit weak at first.. that is until it built up to End of Time. Then it put everything in perspective. And at the character point of view, it makes a strong statement as to why the Doctor should have a companion at all times.


One of my favourite scene from End of Time.. Talking about the regeneration process. Look at David when he says "I've done some things..". Powerful stuff.
)Of course, it's a bit spoilerish. Especially if you haven't seen the S4 finale and/or know about Donna's fate(

Waters of Mars was a bit...well....not bad exactly..but..well yes, a little weak at first.  Almost just like a normal episode instead of something that should be more important since it is one of Tennant's last.  But how everything works out..that was really strong.  And you're right.  It definitely shows that he needs a companion.  Left on his own too long, and no matter how good his original intention, it is just too easy for him to get ...well..corrupted.

Wow..that is powerful.

[DJ Doena]

The whole "I don't wanna go" scene is one of my favourite series endings of all time. Right along with Babylon 5's "Sleeping in Light". I'll always need a bucket to catch all my (of course totally manly) tears when I watch these.

[Dragonfire]

I watched End of Time last night.
Holy crap.

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First of all..the Master being back again..and stuff tied to the Time Lords.  They don't seem like nice people.  All that was enough...along with teh Doctor sort of being worried about dying.  Then the build up to the actual regeneration.  Basically everything from the point of realizing that Wilfric - not sure I remembered his name right - was trapped until the actual regeneration really did me in.  How he went to see everyone again, even though he really didn't talk to them.  So much between the Doctor and Wilfric got to me.  Especially when Wilfric said he would have been proud to be the Doctor's father...and later the Doctor saying he would have been proud to have Wilfric as his father.  The I don't want to go...that really set me off.  After he said that, I thought I don't want you to go either. 
Oh I liked it when the Doctor called Donna his best friend...about how he wouldn't leave his best friend defenseless.

Quick question...in the past, has the Tardis changed too when the Doctor regenerated?  I don't remember that happening at the beginning of the second season.

[Najemikon]

I watched End of Time last night.
Holy crap.

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First of all..the Master being back again..and stuff tied to the Time Lords.  They don't seem like nice people.  All that was enough...along with teh Doctor sort of being worried about dying.  Then the build up to the actual regeneration.  Basically everything from the point of realizing that Wilfric - not sure I remembered his name right - was trapped until the actual regeneration really did me in.  How he went to see everyone again, even though he really didn't talk to them.  So much between the Doctor and Wilfric got to me.  Especially when Wilfric said he would have been proud to be the Doctor's father...and later the Doctor saying he would have been proud to have Wilfric as his father.  The I don't want to go...that really set me off.  After he said that, I thought I don't want you to go either. 
Oh I liked it when the Doctor called Donna his best friend...about how he wouldn't leave his best friend defenseless.

Quick question...in the past, has the Tardis changed too when the Doctor regenerated?  I don't remember that happening at the beginning of the second season.

Told you... 

It got repeated the other day, and one particular bit I thought was wonderful...

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was the book signing. Beautifully done.

Oh and his name is Wilf, as in short for Wilfred.

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That was the bit I knew would really get you. The truth of the four taps. "Can you let me out?"

They give the Tardis a little tweak now and again. Never a lot of course, but I do like the new paintjob at the end of Series 5. Also, I like in Series 5 how it has more eccentric, rather pointless additions around the control panel, to match it's more eccentric Doctor owner. Of course the insides have changed rather dramatically over the years...

[DJ Doena]

The TARDIS has changed a lot over the years. Just as the Fifth Doctor said to the Tenth Doctor in the "Children in Need" special "Time Crash": "You've changed the desktop theme!".

Earlier (much earlier) it looked like this:

First Doctor:


Fifth Doctor:

[Dragonfire]

Told you... 

It got repeated the other day, and one particular bit I thought was wonderful...

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was the book signing. Beautifully done.

Oh and his name is Wilf, as in short for Wilfred.

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That was the bit I knew would really get you. The truth of the four taps. "Can you let me out?"

They give the Tardis a little tweak now and again. Never a lot of course, but I do like the new paintjob at the end of Series 5. Also, I like in Series 5 how it has more eccentric, rather pointless additions around the control panel, to match it's more eccentric Doctor owner. Of course the insides have changed rather dramatically over the years...

So you did.  :p  And I expected it as well. 

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Oh the book signing part was wonderful..especially once I realized why he was there.  When the scene first started, I was like why is he there. Then I figured it out.  I liked that he was able to visit everyone, at least briefly.  I'm thinking Sarah Jane might have realized he was close to regeneration.  I think Martha realized too..though I can't remember if he told her about that. 

Wilf..ok..I knew it was something like that.  I just couldn't remember for sure.

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As soon as he knocked, I knew..I thought Oh shit..that's the knocks..not anything tied to the Master.  And it broke my heart.  At first I thought maybe he got hurt so bad in that fall that it trigged the regeneration...then Wilf with his knocking and asking to be let out.

New question tied to End of Time..that I forgot to ask before.

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Who was the woman who showed up to Wilf?  If it said for sure, I missed it.  It looked like she was a Time Lord.  But what was her connection to the Doctor?  Was that his mother?  Former girlfriend?

Ok..I was thinking the Tardis probably had changed some but I wanted to ask.  I was thinking when I saw The Big Bang that it became a brighter blue, but I wasn't completely sure. 

Ohh...one more question.  What the heck is Darvos?  Or is it Davros?  I figured out he was a former enemy...and even Sarah Jane had faced him before..I picked up that much..and he designed the Daleks to begin with.  But...what was he?  Human?  Time Lord?  Some other alien race?

[DJ Doena]

Who was the woman who showed up to Wilf?  If it said for sure, I missed it.  It looked like she was a Time Lord.  But what was her connection to the Doctor?  Was that his mother?  Former girlfriend?

Ohh...one more question.  What the heck is Darvos?  Or is it Davros?  I figured out he was a former enemy...and even Sarah Jane had faced him before..I picked up that much..and he designed the Daleks to begin with.  But...what was he?  Human?  Time Lord?  Some other alien race?

Which woman do you mean (at what time in the two-parter)?


Re: Davros: In the early days Doctor Who was told in a form of a mini-series. Each story comprised 4 to 6 episodes. The very second story (1963) led the First Doctor and his companions to a wasteland planet called Skaro. Many years earlier two nations had fought each other: The Kaleds and the Thals. The Kaleds created the Daleks (note the anagram) and "won" the war but they destroyed the whole planet in the process.

In 1975 the Time Lords send the Fourth Doctor - and his then-companion Sarah-Jane Smith - back to Skaro, back to to the still raging war. There they meet the real Kaleds and their scientist Davros who is about to create the Daleks.

[Dragonfire]

Ok..thank you.    Darvos makes more sense to me now.  And from that picture you posted, it looks like he always looked about like that.

She was an older woman who appeared to Wilf a few different times.  Once was on the tv while Donna, her mother, and the guy she was engaged to were in the kitchen.  They did see her but Wilf did.  The woman said something about the Doctor..I can't remember what exactly now..she also asked Wilf if he had taken up arms before.
I think she appeared another time too, but I can't remember...while Wilf was still on Earth I mean.  Once Wilf and the Doctor were on the space ship with the green aliens - the ones Wilf called cactus - Wilf was off alone somewhere and the woman appeared again.  Talking about how the Doctor could still be saved..but he would need to take up arms or something like that.  After that conversation, Wilf went back to the Doctor..when he said he was trying to fix the heat.  Then Wilf started in trying to convince the Doctor to take the gun.  When the Time Lords came through that...umm...portal thing or whatever it was, the woman that appeared to Wilf, was there..she was kind of behind the one Timothy Dalton played..and she was covering her eyes.  Then she showed her face and the Doctor reacted.  So I figured he knew her..I just wondered if anyone knew who she was.

[DJ Doena]

Ah, that woman, now I remember.


From Wikipedia:


One of the two dissident Time Lords, described as "The Woman" in the credits, visits Wilfred on several occasions, appearing and disappearing in unexplained ways. When she lowers her arms to stare at the Tenth Doctor he appears to recognise her, but when later asked by Wilfred about her identity, the Doctor evades the question. British newspapers The Daily Telegraph and The Daily Mail identified the character as the Doctor's mother as early as April 2009.[8][9] Russell T. Davies wrote in an email to the author of The Writers Tale, "I like leaving it open, because then you can imagine what you want. I think the fans will say it's Romana. Or even the Rani. Some might say that it's Susan's mother, I suppose. But of course it’s meant to be the Doctor’s mother."[10]