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Started by lovemunkey187, February 01, 2010, 12:12:02 PM

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lovemunkey187

This statement by Jon got me wondering.

Quote from: Jon on January 31, 2010, 02:17:58 PMAnd actually, when you reign in someone like Ennis, you get pure quality. Much the same reason why I was so hoping Tarantino would get the chance to make a Bond film.

If QT had of directed Casino Royale, when it was initially rumoured, would it have been a "Bond" film, or would it have just been another Tarantino film that happened to have the character James Bond in it?

DJ Doena

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Quote from: lovemunkey187 on February 01, 2010, 12:12:02 PM
This statement by Jon got me wondering.

Quote from: Jon on January 31, 2010, 02:17:58 PMAnd actually, when you reign in someone like Ennis, you get pure quality. Much the same reason why I was so hoping Tarantino would get the chance to make a Bond film.

If QT had of directed Casino Royale, when it was initially rumoured, would it have been a "Bond" film, or would it have just been another Tarantino film that happened to have the character James Bond in it?

I've never seen any non-Tarantino work made by Tarantino (at least as far as I can recall) but IIRC he made an Emergency Room episode and a CSI(?) episode and as far as I understood it these are pretty good.

I think there's a difference when you make your own film the way you like it and when you have to (at least partially) conform to the fictional universe your movie is placed in.

Many people already say that Craig's Bond isn't a real Bond but for me it was the first Bond worth watching.
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Quote from: DJ Doena on February 01, 2010, 12:42:16 PM

Many people already say that Craig's Bond isn't a real Bond but for me it was the first Bond worth watching.

Sean Connery is the only James Bond worth watching. :drooling:

DJ Doena

Quote from: Kathy on February 01, 2010, 01:11:55 PM
Quote from: DJ Doena on February 01, 2010, 12:42:16 PM

Many people already say that Craig's Bond isn't a real Bond but for me it was the first Bond worth watching.

Sean Connery is the only James Bond worth watching. :drooling:

Pfft... Women .... Only think about the one thing. We men try to appreciate the story as a whole. Take Baywatch for example, I show about fearless heroines who not only save careless surfers but also look gorgeous while doing it.

:hysterical:
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Najemikon

Quote from: DJ Doena on February 01, 2010, 01:45:39 PM
Quote from: Kathy on February 01, 2010, 01:11:55 PM
Quote from: DJ Doena on February 01, 2010, 12:42:16 PM

Many people already say that Craig's Bond isn't a real Bond but for me it was the first Bond worth watching.

Sean Connery is the only James Bond worth watching. :drooling:

Pfft... Women .... Only think about the one thing. We men try to appreciate the story as a whole. Take Baywatch for example, I show about fearless heroines who not only save careless surfers but also look gorgeous while doing it.

:hysterical:

Yeah, but Connery was the best Bond!  :tease: From Russia With Love? Top of the pile.

Quote from: lovemunkey187 on February 01, 2010, 12:12:02 PM
If QT had of directed Casino Royale, when it was initially rumoured, would it have been a "Bond" film, or would it have just been another Tarantino film that happened to have the character James Bond in it?

As we may soon see with Kevin Smith and Cop Out, auteurs are forced into a corner when they're nothing more than directors for hire. They're stuck in genre rules and production beats dictated from elsewhere. They have to find the gaps in which they can apply their style. Garth Ennis' Dredd wasn't so different from other writers, but the identity was there and gave it a different flavour.

If you haven't seen Tarantino's ER or CSI episodes, I highly recommend them. They aren't so different, but there was a rhythm to the dialogue and he turned the screws a bit further. It was unmistakeably him and equally unmistakeable as a regular episode. I think with Bond the stunts would have been more solid, Bond more arrogant and slightly unlikeable (Brosnan was up for it so would have been willing to push his relationship with the built-in audience) and there'd be a healthy dose of irony. Pop-culture references would have been at a minimum and for those who think QT rips everything off? Well, perfect. Bond had been robbing from it's own history something chronic anyway!

Achim

Quote from: Jon on February 01, 2010, 05:33:15 PM
If you haven't seen Tarantino's ER or CSI episodes, I highly recommend them.
Yes, indeed. At least the CSI episode.

I caught the CSI (double-length) episode on TV without knowing it was done by QT and throughout I kept thinking: What's going on here, somehow today's episode is more awesome than usual. The end credits eventually revealed it to me :slaphead:

RossRoy

Grave Danger is CSI at its best in my opinion. And as a season finale? Wow!

northbloke

I think in order for a QT James Bond film to have been a success, he would have really had to have reigned himself in. His films are immediately identifiable because of his pop-culture references and directing style, and that would have been fatal for a James Bond film where the character of Bond and the set pieces need to take centre stage, not the director.
The CSI episode works so well mainly because he's going into something where you have an established ensemble cast and character camaderie and that gives the series a foundation that allows you to experiment and play with styles, moods and techniques in individual episodes.