Well done on keeping the review spoiler free :thumbup:
Just came back from watching it myself. Two Three minor and one less minor quibble:
- Unless there were projection issues in my IMAX it seems he used an actual IMAX camera again in several scenes. However, if I am right, I could not figure out th motivation for th use of the larger framing and worse it seemed rather random.
- typical timer problem.
the timer seemed to jump from 10 to 5 minutes within 2, but then need another 10 to reach 0 :slaphead:
- EDIT: :hmmmm: I wonder if Catwoman will run away as she said or turn around... Oh, what a surprise... :slaphead:
- Considering it is supposed to be a Batman movie, there could have been more of the caped crusader for my taste.
But I totally agree otherwise. Great, great movie, more of the level of a police drama than an action movie though. The scene with Alfred is incredibly awesome and shows just how brilliant Michael Caine is; note ow emotional it is despite the lack of music!
Acting is very good across the board, from Gary Oldman over Joseph Gordon-Levitt to Michael Caine. Many bit parts were cast with fairly famous actors as well (who was that cop on the bridge...?). Tom Hardy did really well despite half his face covered by his mask (and he was much better understandable than the trailer made us think).
And then of course the ending, rounding off this trilogy very well.
I prefer The Dark Knight over this one, but this is still high class cinema and a must-see.
Unless there is plans I felt introducing Robin at the end was a bit of a waste.
Comic book readers supposedly could see a twist coming, knowing that Raz Al'Ghul's child is a girl?
Having the Scarecrow have another cameo was a cool idea.
I was stupid enough to think The Batman may have sacrificed himself, feeling all sad or a minute or two. I felt stupid when the reveal was bing prepared :bag: (auto-pilot had been fixed)
Well done on keeping the review spoiler free :thumbup:
Thank you. I was very careful about that.
Just came back from watching it myself. Two Three minor and one less minor quibble:
- Unless there were projection issues in my IMAX it seems he used an actual IMAX camera again in several scenes. However, if I am right, I could not figure out th motivation for th use of the larger framing and worse it seemed rather random.
- typical timer problem.
the timer seemed to jump from 10 to 5 minutes within 2, but then need another 10 to reach 0 :slaphead:
- EDIT: :hmmmm: I wonder if Catwoman will run away as she said or turn around... Oh, what a surprise... :slaphead:
- Considering it is supposed to be a Batman movie, there could have been more of the caped crusader for my taste.
I remember reading about the last one that he used IMAX cameras at times for some scenes. Guess he did again. I didn't really notice a difference, but I didn't see an IMAX version.
Yes there could have been more actual Batman, but given the story and what was going on, it makes sense it works out this way.
But I totally agree otherwise. Great, great movie, more of the level of a police drama than an action movie though. The scene with Alfred is incredibly awesome and shows just how brilliant Michael Caine is; note ow emotional it is despite the lack of music!
It is great. The police stuff works well, including the conflict between John and the one guy..crap..can't remember his name. Possibly because I just thought of him as the Coward until he showed up in full uniform at the end
Do you mean the last scene with Alfred? That one was incredibly emotional - it had me start to tear up. His earlier scenes are good too..with how he is confronting Bruce about him not moving on..and that one conversation that goes back to events in the last movie. Man that was rough.
Acting is very good across the board, from Gary Oldman over Joseph Gordon-Levitt to Michael Caine. Many bit parts were cast with fairly famous actors as well (who was that cop on the bridge...?). Tom Hardy did really well despite half his face covered by his mask (and he was much better understandable than the trailer made us think).
Yes it is. It has been for all the movies. The casting has been great all along. I can't think of who the cop on the bridge was.
And then of course the ending, rounding off this trilogy very well.
I loved the ending. I didn't expect how everything worked out, but I think it worked so well. I'm very happy.
I prefer The Dark Knight over this one, but this is still high class cinema and a must-see.
I don't know which one I prefer honestly. There are parts of each that I think are better - No one is out doing Ledger's Joker. It just isn't going to happen. I do feel like all the story elements got enough attention this time..in the last movie I thought things with Harvey were a little rushed. At the time, I had thought it would have been better to just show Harvey getting injured..starting down the road to Two-Face, with the full...transformation so to speak in another movie. Well.... I shouldn't have doubted Nolan. The man knows what he is doing.
Unless there is plans I felt introducing Robin at the end was a bit of a waste.
Comic book readers supposedly could see a twist coming, knowing that Raz Al'Ghul's child is a girl?
Having the Scarecrow have another cameo was a cool idea.
I was stupid enough to think The Batman may have sacrificed himself, feeling all sad or a minute or two. I felt stupid when the reveal was bing prepared :bag: (auto-pilot had been fixed)
Do not click on the spoiler until after seeing the movie. You've been warned.
I haven't heard of any plans for another movie tied to this one. I like that it is set up like John will take over..and his real name is Robin. I never suspected anything like that, but I liked it. I would like to see a movie with him taking over as Batman. That would be very interesting. I know Nolan has said that he won't direct another Batman..that doesn't necessarily mean he wouldn't produce. Not that I've heard anything. Just speculating here. lol Bale has said that he'll have to see someone else play Batman..probably before long. So maybe there were talks of maybe following up with what was started. Or maybe not.
Comic book readers may have seen that coming. I haven't read them, but I knew that Raz Al Ghul - I have no idea how to spell his name - has a daughter named Talia. I even know that she and Bruce have had a ..umm..somewhat complicated relationship in some of the comics as well. When a child of Raz Al Ghul was mentioned, I did briefly think of Talia, but I quickly forgot about her since it was going along like Bane was the child..even though I hadn't heard of that connection in the comics..and I don't know that Raz Al Ghul had a son. I guess I didn't expect for Talia to pretend to be someone else. I can't remember what I've read about Talia in the comics, so I don't know if she did anything like that in the comics. I was thinking that Bruce knew who Talia was all the time in the comics, though I could be wrong about that.
No reason to feel stupid for that. I thought he did too. I'm glad he didn't, but I could have seen him going off to die that way too. Him dying would have sucked. I got more convinced when they had the little funeral and Alfred did his talk about failing Bruce's parents..Then the other things were shown and I started getting happier. I like the ending with Bruce being happy. He finally full dealt with everything - going all the way back to his parent's murders - and could move on. I've seen that some people have been debating about the ending, with some claiming it was a dream. This was not Inception..and Nolan has never done a dream in place of reality in the first two Batman movies...I doubt he would have started with this one.
Apparently there is talk of DC rebooting Batman and there is this link (http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20120716) that someone sent me.
Or today's strip (http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20120725).
Well, one of the strips says Bane's mask is not explained. I'd have to disagree, I thought that was sufficiently covered (not in all glorious detail, but that isn't needed).
Do you mean the last scene with Alfred? That one was incredibly emotional - it had me start to tear up. His earlier scenes are good too..with how he is confronting Bruce about him not moving on..and that one conversation that goes back to events in the last movie. Man that was rough.
No, the first one from the corridor, when he is leaving. I thought it was quite heart breaking to see how he realized he lost with all his attempts to save Bruce and therefore failed to keep his promise to Bruce's parents.
I don't know which one I prefer honestly.
I was mainly going by the fact that the previous one had more high octane action... I guess in overall he was simply taking a slightly different approach, rather than just repeating what he had done before. All three parts have stylistic differences...
I've seen that some people have been debating about the ending, with some claiming it was a dream. This was not Inception..and
Nolan has never done a dream in place of reality in the first two Batman movies...I doubt he would have started with this one.
I agree that it was unliekely to have been a dream; I guess those people refer to the part with Alfred in the coffee shop. I thought it was interesting that we see Bruce's face full on, in most films it would only be hinted at or seen from the side maybe. But I guess he was clearly presenting himself to Alfred.[/spoiler]
Well, one of the strips says Bane's mask is not explained. I'd have to disagree, I thought that was sufficiently covered (not in all glorious detail, but that isn't needed).
I disagree about the mask too. There is enough of an explanation for it.
[quote ]No, the first one from the corridor, when he is leaving. I thought it was quite heart breaking to see how he realized he lost with all his attempts to save Bruce and therefore failed to keep his promise to Bruce's parents.
That was hearkbreaking. He tried so hard to get through to Bruce. And since he had waited so long, and destroyed that infernal letter before, Bruce wouldn't believe the truth about Rachel. He'd spent years building up what could have been with her. I didn't like her that much in the second movie, and I especially hated how she dealt with choosing between Bruce and Harvey. She didn't even have the decency to tell Bruce herself..she wrote a letter and left it to Alfred to deliver. Oh I how hated that..and that Alfred was put in that position.
I was mainly going by the fact that the previous one had more high octane action... I guess in overall he was simply taking a slightly different approach, rather than just repeating what he had done before. All three parts have stylistic differences...
Yes they do..and I think that is part of what makes them all so good. They are all wonderful movies in their own rights..but put them together and they make a hell of a good trilogy. One of the best ever...I'd say right up there with Lord of the Rings. Yes I just went there.
I've seen that some people have been debating about the ending, with some claiming it was a dream. This was not Inception..and
Nolan has never done a dream in place of reality in the first two Batman movies...I doubt he would have started with this one.
I agree that it was unliekely to have been a dream; I guess those people refer to the part with Alfred in the coffee shop. I thought it was interesting that we see Bruce's face full on, in most films it would only be hinted at or seen from the side maybe. But I guess he was clearly presenting himself to Alfred.
Yes people were saying that last bit with Alfred in that coffee shop or cafe was a dream. The people that claim that say that we saw the explosion, so he's dead. Batman wouldn't do so much for Gotham and then leave..stuff like that. They seem to be forgetting that Bruce never said he intended to be Batman forever. In the second movie, he was talking about stopping, thinking that Harvey could be the symbol against crime for the city. Then Joker struck and screwed that up. Bruce even says in this movie how he and Rachel were going to go away together in that argument with Alfred. It has been said that Batman is a symbol and the man in the costume doesn't matter..that is said a few times in this movie. Bruce even talks about it being a symbol in the first movie. He has seen something in John that makes him believe that John can step up if Batman is needed again. You are right..we do see his face full on. I think that is to make it clear that he's alive and he paid attention to what Alfred said earlier. When Alfred talked about the time when Bruce was gone before, he said how he went to that place on his vacation and hoped to see Bruce there with someone..proof that he'd found happiness. That's why Bruce was there at the end. He remembered what Alfred said and that was his way of letting him know, even after their...falling out. Also, Selina is there. If it was a dream, I don't think we'd see her. Alfred only knew her as the hired help who stole Bruce's mother's pearls and was a burglar. He didn't know there was any further connection between Bruce and Selina, so why would he imagine Bruce with her?
Oh, I forgot to mention something last night...
I loved that Scarecrow turned up again. He seemed to be having so much fun presiding over that...court. lol
I just watched Batman Begins again...first time I've seen it in several years and I had forgotten some things. I also picked up on a few little things that come back around in this movie.
Bruce is in that prison in the first movie..he ends up in another one in this movie.
When he is still acting as Ducard, Raz Al Ghul talks about having had a wife and that she was taken from him..no mention of a child or daughter.
His father shows Bruce the pearls for his mother...before they go to the opera. She is wearing them when they are shot. The same pearls that Selina decides she likes and steals. I'm sure there are more little things like that in all three movies.
I think that's it for now.
Yes they do..and I think that is part of what makes them all so good. They are all wonderful movies in their own rights..but put them together and they make a hell of a good trilogy. One of the best ever...I'd say right up there with Lord of the Rings. Yes I just went there.
I am right there with you! LOTR or Toy Story...
It has been said that Batman is a symbol and the man in the costume doesn't matter..that is said a few times in this movie. Bruce even talks about it being a symbol in the first movie. He has seen something in John that makes him believe that John can step up if Batman is needed again.
Yes, Batman merely being a symbol is very much a theme. Just to be sure he repeats it one more time at the end t Gordon, just before he basically reveals himself to him and flys off. We even do see this acted upon at the end! John gets the key to the batcave and we can assume that he will continue to give Gotham the Batman they need. Or a Robin or Nightwing or someone... So, Bruce Wayne may have left Gtoham, but he made sure the symbol would remain.
I am right there with you! LOTR or Toy Story...
Yes...Toy Story..I knew there was another awesome trilogy I couldn't think of last night - the extreme heat has melted some brain cells I think. lol
But yes, Toy Story is right up there with LOTR..and now The Dark Knight Trilogy.
Yes, Batman merely being a symbol is very much a theme. Just to be sure he repeats it one more time at the end t Gordon, just before he basically reveals himself to him and flys off. We even do see this acted upon at the end! John gets the key to the batcave and we can assume that he will continue to give Gotham the Batman they need. Or a Robin or Nightwing or someone... So, Bruce Wayne may have left Gtoham, but he made sure the symbol would remain.
Oh yes I got that part with Gordon. He made a reference to how Gordon was kind to him after his parents were killed...even showed the footage from the first movie when Gordon comforted Bruce a little bit, put the coat around his shoulders - that was his dad's coat.
Remember earlier in the movie, after Gordon is shot, John goes to see Bruce and shares that he figured out that Bruce was Batman a long time ago... saw the same look on Bruce's face that he had to use to get past the death of his parents..something like that. I can't remember the exact dialogue now. But John was the first to mention seeing something similar in Bruce that is in himself. Which probably started to plant the seed in Bruce. Then later, he saw what John had been doing to try to help in Gotham while Bane was in control. That's why he left John the coordinates to get to the Batcave. I wouldn't be surprised if he consults Lucius at some point either. There could have been a note in what Bruce left John..or something in the Batcave itself. And Bruce was careful to let those few key people know that he was still alive and he hadn't left Gotham without Batman. Lucius finds out that the auto pilot had been fixed and Gordon goes up on that roof and sees that the Bat signal has been repaired.
I saw some people going on about how Bruce wouldn't have gone to the lengths he did to protect Gotham - fighing Raz Al Ghul, Joker, and Bane - and then abandon the city. He didn't abandon the city. He has it all set up for John to be able to set up and take over, so Gotham still will have Batman if he is needed.
Oh..I remembered one of the other little details I was going to mention last night.
In Batman Begins, after he test drives the car for the first time, Bruce asks if it comes in black. In this movie, after showing Bruce the new plane thing, Lucius just says that yes it comes in black. It ties right back into that..just another little detail that makes all the movies stronger. I have to read the article in my Entertainment Weekly about Nolan and making this movie again. Basically, he wanted separate movies that were also connected. He explained it better. lol So many little things go back to the first movie...bringing things full circle. Very few directors focus on that level of detail. Or even attempt to pull it off.
Lucius finds out that the auto pilot had been fixed and Gordon goes up on that roof and sees that the Bat signal has been repaired.
That was one hint I missed, and mauve it's the most obvious one :laugh: I saw Gordon earlier at the broken bat signal and I saw him at the fixed one, but it idn't really click at the time that it "must have been repaired" :bag: :slaphead:
So many little things go back to the first movie...bringing things full circle.[/spoiler]
I think I need to see the first one again soon...
That was one hint I missed, and mauve it's the most obvious one :laugh: I saw Gordon earlier at the broken bat signal and I saw him at the fixed one, but it idn't really click at the time that it "must have been repaired" :bag: :slaphead:
It is easy to over look things at times. I can't remember now if that is shown before or after Lucius is told about the auto pilot being fixed with how those last things are shared all intermingled. If I remember right, Gordon puts his hand on the bat part of the signal and sort of smiles. I think he may have been shown standing there first..looking in the direction of the signal..then he was standing at it touching it. I think. I need to go see it again.
So many little things go back to the first movie...bringing things full circle.
I think I need to see the first one again soon...
Yup...you should. I picked up on several things when I watched it again last night. I'm thinking there will be some little things in the second one too...which I still need to watch again. And go see this one again. lol
Something else...we see that Bruce gets injured in the first movie..Alfred even comments on it at one point. Then in the new movie, we see the more long term results of the injuries.
I got to see this at the weekend, and thought it was an excellent film. Not as good as The Dark Knight, but still excellent.
However I've got a couple of niggles about the ending and wanted to share them in case I missed something:
When he goes to drag the bomb over the bay, he says to Gordon and Catwoman that the auto-pilot doesn't work (I don't remember anyone else there). But he later fixes the bat signal, letting Gordon know he's alive and Catwoman is sitting with him in Florence. So why would he lie and let them think (temporarily) he was dead?
Slightly later, he's still in the plane when you see him pull it up and shoot the building to get over it. At that point the children on the bus watch the plane all the way out to sea, until it explodes. At what point do you think he bailed out?
Lastly, Alfred is devastated at the funeral, but in Florence reacts as if he was expecting to see him at the table. Did he know he was alive at the funeral? Is he really that good an actor (Alfred, not Michael Caine)?
What do you guys think? These are very minor niggles and I did love the film.
I certainly never expected Talia, despite knowing fine well Ra's had a daughter in the comics, Nolan certainly deftly misdirected me on that note.
I got to see this at the weekend, and thought it was an excellent film. Not as good as The Dark Knight, but still excellent.
However I've got a couple of niggles about the ending and wanted to share them in case I missed something:
When he goes to drag the bomb over the bay, he says to Gordon and Catwoman that the auto-pilot doesn't work (I don't remember anyone else there). But he later fixes the bat signal, letting Gordon know he's alive and Catwoman is sitting with him in Florence. So why would he lie and let them think (temporarily) he was dead?
Slightly later, he's still in the plane when you see him pull it up and shoot the building to get over it. At that point the children on the bus watch the plane all the way out to sea, until it explodes. At what point do you think he bailed out?
Lastly, Alfred is devastated at the funeral, but in Florence reacts as if he was expecting to see him at the table. Did he know he was alive at the funeral? Is he really that good an actor (Alfred, not Michael Caine)?
What do you guys think? These are very minor niggles and I did love the film.
I honestly can't remember if anyone else was there or not at that point or not. Hmmm....Something to try to pay attention to when I see it again - hopefully in the theater.
I'm thinking he let them think he was dead to make it more believable. Have everyone think he really is gone until he is established in his new life. Maybe he thought if he let them know at that point what he was going to do, that they would let something slip and then the story of him dying to save the city wouldn't work. Like maybe one of them would have accidentally let it slip that Batman was still alive. Then people would have been looking for him before the city truly needed him again. It had to be completely believable to work. Maybe...at least that's my theory at the moment. :)
I read something right after I saw the movie - when I found that people were debating if he did survive or if it was some sort of dream. Anyway, what I read pointed out how low the plane was flying through part of the city..and there were times when it was blocked by buildings. Who wrote that little article thinks he bailed out when the plane was low inside the city..that way his jumping would be blocked by the buildings.
I think Alfred was just really hoping to see Bruce there...or maybe he just went there out of habit from when he took his vacations there previously. Back earlier in the movie he talked about how he went on vacations during the 7 or 8 years when Bruce was missing..and how he hoped he'd see Bruce there, happy with someone. So that conversation planted the seed with Bruce. When he faked his death, I'm thinking Alfred didn't know then and at the funeral he truly thought that Bruce was gone and that he had failed his parents. That bit really got to me by the way. I'm thinking it goes back to Bruce wanting to make absolutely sure that everyone believed he was dead so that he could have his fresh start. He wanted Bruce behind him as well. I'm guessing he thought that if Alfred knew ahead of time, he wouldn't have reacted to the news of Bruce's death believably. Once he was settled into his new life and happy, Bruce wanted to let Alfred know - Alfred mentioned earlier how much he hoped that Bruce would find happiness. Bruce knew where to go because of the earlier conversation. Bruce may have even known that Alfred was on vacation at that point. Despite the argument before Alfred left, Bruce still cared about him..so he wanted him to have the peace of mind of knowing he had moved on and was finally happy. Again, that is just my thinking on it.
I certainly never expected Talia, despite knowing fine well Ra's had a daughter in the comics, Nolan certainly deftly misdirected me on that note.
I thought of something else last night, but forgot to come back and add it to the post.
Bruce had that clean slate program thing that Selina was after. I got the impression he'd had it for a while. He said he got it to keep it out of the wrong hands, but I started wondering if he really got it to use for himself if he was ever able to leave Batman, Bruce, and Gotham behind. He was ready to leave Batman and Gotham behind by late in TDK when he thought Rachel was going to leave with him... I'm thinking that maybe once that didn't happen, he started considering the possibility of not being Bruce Wayne anymore too. He'd already done that before Batman Begins..when Ducard/Ra's first talks to him in the prison, Bruce is surprised that he knows his real name..he'd been using a different name then. Maybe he started thinking that if he had the chance to leave Gotham, he'd do it in a more permanent way. Anyway...I think he really got a hold of the clean slate thing to use for himself.
Ok..I think I'm done again...for now. :)
Yes he did. It wasn't completely out of left field, but I still didn't see that coming. A surprise that fits in perfectly with the source material. That isn't accomplished often.
I completely agree with Marie's explanations regarding the ending.
It may not have been made super clear at what point he may have bailed out of the plane, but I think that is a minor point. And indeed as marie said, he lied about the auto-pilot as he wanted people to believe he is dead, which is also why he no problem with revealing his identity to Gordon (through the story with the coat). I am not sure if Batman or Blake repaired the bat signal...
I completely agree with Marie's explanations regarding the ending.
It may not have been made super clear at what point he may have bailed out of the plane, but I think that is a minor point. And indeed as marie said, he lied about the auto-pilot as he wanted people to believe he is dead, which is also why he no problem with revealing his identity to Gordon (through the story with the coat). I am not sure if Batman or Blake repaired the bat signal...
I think Bruce fixed the Batsignal. The way it was shown, it seemed like Gordon found that about the same time that John was finding his way to the Batcave. At least that is my interpretation.
I just noticed I got a spoiler out of order in my last post...oops. The last two are out of order. Not sure how I managed to do that.
Thanks Marie,
it certainly hadn't occurred to me that he could have used the last explosion as cover for bailing out. I think you're right there - that's when he did it.
I'm still not 100% convinced by the Alfred bit though, I think if I'd been Alfred I'd react a bit more at seeing Bruce - you know, like a heart attack or something! ;D That's what made me question whether he was in on it or not.
On a more general note (and I don't think this needs spoilers), me and a work colleague were debating who was the better villian. He said Bane because he was more of a threat to Batman, both physically and in terms of his ruthlessness and drive. But I argued the Joker was better because he was so unpredictable, Batman couldn't defend against him because he didn't know what he'd do next. What do you all think?
I just came back from watching it. Here my first thoughts without having read the comments in this thread yet. I will do this after posting this.
I thought the story was too contrived. And there were too many lengths.
I knew from the beginning that Miranda will turn out to be a bad guy. Just in the way she was introduced. And Bruce Wayne just trusting her and telling her everything. Though I thought that there will be a twist that Bruce also knew and will trap her somehow.
Early on I was thinking that Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character could be Robin. And I was right.
Anne Hathaway did a great Catwoman. I think her character was handled well. Bane was okay for the most part, but towards the end he became grading with all his speeches. It didn't help that he couldn't emote with this mask. Very noticable when the camera stayed much too long on his face.
The story was too much of a rehash of the first one. Especially sending Bruce Wayne again to such a prison. And having the bad guy threatening the whole city in the way he did.
I missed Batman in action. They were too few scenes with him. And when there were some, it was for the most part him being beaten up by Bane.
Overall I enjoyed it to some degree. But as of now, not as much as the first two.
At the end I not for a second believed that Batman died. I knew for certain, that I will see the Alfred in Florence scene. It has been built up to this. Even though I expected it, I am glad it turned out this way. I was a little surprised that the Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character was called Robin. I would have thought that they would leave it at the hints they left throughout the movie and not explicitly tell so. So I was also surprised that he got to find the Batcave.
I was happy that Batman at least gave Gordon a hint so that he knew he was Bruce Wayne. It would have been sad if wouldn't have gotten to know this fact. Especially as so many people got to find out his true identity in the movie. Gordon deserved it most to know.
The scene I loved most acting-wise was the one were Alfred teared up telling Bruce that he will leave him. Great powerful scene.
I hate it when the bad guys die before their plan is foiled. Where's the payoff for the viewer to see them realize they've failed?
It was an OK movie. I still like the first one the best, even better than TDK.
Random remarks about this film:
Bane beat Batman and Batman then trained where Bane was raised. In the end Bane couldn't beat Batman and simply tried to punch him into oblivion, missing more and more hits. Rocky III anyone?
I did not see the twist with the child coming. But I didn't care either. Did it make any difference in the end that Bane wasn't the child that climbed up?
Friedrich Schiller wrote in his version of William Tell: "Durch diese hohle Gasse muss er kommen." ("He has to come through here."). This isn't Braveheart. These three thousand police officers only armed with hand guns would die by the hundreds in that street if the defenders had actually used their automated weapons. And the falling bodies would have created an additional barrier that would have hindered the cops and given more time to the baddies. It would have ended in a slaughter, not a rumble in the bronx.
Torchwood's Owen was the guy who died by exile on ice. The cop who blew up the bridge was Dexter's Quinn. The black guy who tries to execute future Robin was Stargate SG-1's Teal'c (almost didn't recognize that one!).
The theme of the leading bad guy not being the actual leader was a repeat from Batman Begins and Ra's Al Ghul's charade.
The escape from the prison is merely a plot road block. They have ropes and other stuff. Once you've come this far up surely there is a way to use other items from the prison to help conquer that gap and allow all the prisoners to escape.
The Tumbler was a prototype in the first movie whose primary function (to build a bridge across a river) didn't come to fruition according to Fox. Why are there four of them then?
I didn't like the final action sequence of the Bat against that nuke truck. Yes, they didn't want to stop the truck, just guide it but it looked bad all the same with hime firing all the time and not stopping that thing. Especially considering the fire power of the Bat pod alone.
The Bat was incredibly far out at the sea considering the time that was left. It had to accelerate way beyond 500mph to make that distance - rather unlikely considering he barely managed to lift the nuke.
Some additional notes after having read your comments:
At the end I not for a second believed that Batman died. I knew for certain, that I will see the Alfred in Florence scene. It has been built up to this. Even though I expected it, I am glad it turned out this way. I was a little surprised that the Joseph Gordon-Levitt's character was called Robin. I would have thought that they would leave it at the hints they left throughout the movie and not explicitly tell so. So I was also surprised that he got to find the Batcave.
I was happy that Batman at least gave Gordon a hint so that he knew he was Bruce Wayne. It would have been sad if wouldn't have gotten to know this fact. Especially as so many people got to find out his true identity in the movie. Gordon deserved it most to know.
The scene I loved most acting-wise was the one were Alfred teared up telling Bruce that he will leave him. Great powerful scene.
I hoped that he wasn't dead..but I was convinced by that funeral scene. But when the other things started to be shared, then I started hoping..especially when it went to Alfred getting to his table. I would have been so pissed if we hadn't gotten to see Bruce there.
I liked that he let Gordon know his real identity too.
That was a very powerful scene. Michael Caine was great in this movie.
First off, let me say that I hate it when the bad guys die before their plan is foiled. Where's the payoff for the viewer to see them realize they've failed?
It was an OK movie. I still like the first one the best, even better than TDK.
Random remarks about this film:
Bane beat Batman and Batman then trained where Bane was raised. In the end Bane couldn't beat batman and simply tried to punch him into oblivion, missing more and more hits. Rocky III anyone?
I did not see the twist with the child coming. But I didn't care either. Did it make any difference in the end that Bane wasn't the child that climbed up?
Friedrich Schiller wrote in his version of William Tell: "Durch diese hohle Gasse muss er kommen." ("He has to come through here."). This isn't Braveheart. These three thousand police officers only armed with hand guns would die by the hundreds in that street if the defenders had actually used their automated weapons. And the falling bodies would have created an additional barrier that would have hindered the cops and given more time to the baddies. It would have ended in a slaughter, not a rumble in the bronx.
Torchwood's Owen was the guy who died by exil on ice. The cop who blew up the ridge was Dexter's Quinn. The black guy who tries to execute future Robin was Stargate SG-1's Teal'c (almost didn't recognize that one!).
The theme of the leading bad guy not being the actual leader was a repeat from Batman Begins and Ra's Al Ghul's charade.
The escape from the prison is merely a plot road block. They have ropes and other stuff. Once you've come this far up surely there is a way to use other items from the prison to help conquer that gap and allow all the prisoners to escape.
The Tumbler was a prototype in the first movie whose primary function (to build a bridge across a river) didn't come to fruition according to Fox. Why are there four of them then?
I didn't like the final action sequence of the Bat against that nuke truck. Yes, they didn't want to stop the truck, just guide it but it looked bad all the same with hime firing all the time and not stopping that thing.
The Bat was incredibly far out at the sea considering the time that was left. It had to accelerate way beyond 500mph to make that distance - rather unlikely considering he barely managed to lift the nuke.
Since there is the connection to Ra with Talia, I think it works for her to be in the background like her father had been given how that was set up. I didn't expect it, but I think it works.
I can't remember if there were more than one in the first movie. I'm thinking Lucius talked about 2 of them being used to build the bridge. The one that Bruce test drove was in that camouflage color..he asked if it came in black. I guess I thought that they built a new black one for Bruce/Batman.
I didn't think how far out the Bat went at the end. Maybe it has some sort of turbo boost or something.
I didn't think how far out the Bat went at the end. Maybe it has some sort of turbo boost or something.
the fact that Karsten even at the very end was thinking about such details showed that he was not fully into the movie. The general belief is, that if the movie captivates the audience enough then the movie makers can pretty much do whatever they want towards the end. Admittedly, I had similar problems in regards to the timer (I mentioned) and the kiss (not sure I mentioned). It just drives me up the wall when there is only two minutes left to save millions of people and the heroes waste time with extensive kissing...
Good points though, Karsten. Shows me yet again how much the viewers can suspend disbelief!
Bane beat Batman and Batman then trained where Bane was raised. In the end Bane couldn't beat Batman and simply tried to punch him into oblivion, missing more and more hits. Rocky III anyone?
My interpretation of this was that Batman learned that Bane's mask held back the pain, and so in the second fight specifically targeted it. I assumed it was the increasing pain that caused Bane to start lashing out.
The Bat was incredibly far out at the sea considering the time that was left. It had to accelerate way beyond 500mph to make that distance - rather unlikely considering he barely managed to lift the nuke.
Distance is deceptive at sea. The horizon is on average only 3 miles away, and the safe distance was only 6 miles. I think the Bat could have made that distance easily enough.
Distance is deceptive at sea. The horizon is on average only 3 miles away, and the safe distance was only 6 miles. I think the Bat could have made that distance easily enough.
Didn't he have less than two minutes on the clock when he took off...? 6 miles in 2 minutes incl. the slow start would require him to go quite fast. Oh, and the moment he needed to get out safely. It's one of those things that don't quite matter when you watch the film, but feels awkward when looked at in the light of day.
I didn't think how far out the Bat went at the end. Maybe it has some sort of turbo boost or something.
the fact that Karsten even at the very end was thinking about such details showed that he was not fully into the movie. The general belief is, that if the movie captivates the audience enough then the movie makers can pretty much do whatever they want towards the end. Admittedly, I had similar problems in regards to the timer (I mentioned) and the kiss (not sure I mentioned). It just drives me up the wall when there is only two minutes left to save millions of people and the heroes waste time with extensive kissing...
Good points though, Karsten. Shows me yet again how much the viewers can suspend disbelief!
That's a good point too. I was pulled into the movie at that point and not concerned about those things.
With that kiss...it really wasn't extensive. At least I don't remember it being that extensive.
The Bat was incredibly far out at the sea considering the time that was left. It had to accelerate way beyond 500mph to make that distance - rather unlikely considering he barely managed to lift the nuke.
Distance is deceptive at sea. The horizon is on average only 3 miles away, and the safe distance was only 6 miles. I think the Bat could have made that distance easily enough.
6 mile detonation radius. But that doesn't mean he can just fly out six miles and be done with it. And the 3mile horizon distance is just for people standing on the ground and looking at a flat horizon. Not looking at a nuclear mushroom reaching a hight of 15 miles.
(btw: All of this doesn't even consider the upcoming nuclear fallout later on.
That's a good point too. I was pulled into the movie at that point and not concerned about those things.
With that kiss...it really wasn't extensive. At least I don't remember it being that extensive.
(btw: All of this doesn't even consider the upcoming nuclear fallout later on.
I thought it wasn't a straight up nuclear bomb; although, a) I forgot what exactly it was and b) what kind of problems that bomb can cause.
When they all meet on the ground, batman had landed, Gordon was there and Cateoman arrived with the batcycle, Catwoman and Batman decided it was a good idea to waste a few precious seconds with a kiss.
His father shows Bruce the pearls for his mother...before they go to the opera. She is wearing them when they are shot. The same pearls that Selina decides she likes and steals. I'm sure there are more little things like that in all three movies.
I watched Batman Begins myself yesterday...
The pearl necklace is (hopefully) not the same. On the one hand, the original is destroyed during the mugging. But even more, the necklace in the safe in part 3 had a homing deice installed...? If I indeed remember that correctly then I would hope that Bruce was given the pearly by the police and had the necklace reassembled, adding the chip so that it could never get lost. It would be creepy if Thomas Wayne had given his wife a necklace with which he would always know where she is...
It was fun seeing those few (at least I didn't see all that many) things that ultimately carried over to the third film. Some stuff is not even important, it just creates a sense of continuity, whereas witzh other things you wonder if he was planning ahead at the time :laugh:
This is a quote from the first page, where Marie pointed out references from the first movie:
His father shows Bruce the pearls for his mother...before they go to the opera. She is wearing them when they are shot. The same pearls that Selina decides she likes and steals. I'm sure there are more little things like that in all three movies.
I watched Batman Begins myself yesterday...
The pearl necklace is (hopefully) not the same. On the one hand, the original is destroyed during the mugging. But even more, the necklace in the safe in part 3 had a homing deice installed...? If I indeed remember that correctly then I would hope that Bruce was given the pearly by the police and had the necklace reassembled, adding the chip so that it could never get lost. It would be creepy if Thomas Wayne had given his wife a necklace with which he would always know where she is...
The pearls looks the same..with the individual pearls being different sizes..and the one in the middle of the front is the biggest. It is unique looking. All pearls I've seen before have been the same size. Having the individual pearls be slightly different sizes gives his mother's necklace a more distinctive look. I'm thinking Bruce got the pearls back. They were there...they would have been picked up by the police probably. At some point Bruce had them fixed. It was the last gift his father gave his mother, so it had importance to him beyond just that they were his mother's. I can't remember for sure if there was a tracking device in them when Selina took them or not. If there was, he probably did that so that he could always get them back if they were taken. At least that is my thoughts on it.
It was fun seeing those few (at least I didn't see all that many) things that ultimately carried over to the third film. Some stuff is not even important, it just creates a sense of continuity, whereas witzh other things you wonder if he was planning ahead at the time :laugh:
I liked seeing those few things too. I'm thinking there may be some in Dark Knight too..I haven't watched that one again yet. You're right, the things mostly aren't that important - the necklace is one of those small things, but it does add to the continuity of the series. It's impressive that small things like that are carried through the three movies when in other movies bigger details get messed up within the same movie. With some stuff that came out in this movie, I did wonder if Bruce was planning certain things longer...not exactly the...circumstances but it does seem like he had a few things planned out for a while.
The pearls looks the same..with the individual pearls being different sizes..and the one in the middle of the front is the biggest. It is unique looking. All pearls I've seen before have been the same size. Having the individual pearls be slightly different sizes gives his mother's necklace a more distinctive look. I'm thinking Bruce got the pearls back. They were there...they would have been picked up by the police probably. At some point Bruce had them fixed. It was the last gift his father gave his mother, so it had importance to him beyond just that they were his mother's. I can't remember for sure if there was a tracking device in them when Selina took them or not. If there was, he probably did that so that he could always get them back if they were taken. At least that is my thoughts on it.
I seem to remember a tracking device. He and Alfred were talking about it, that it wouldn't be a problem to find her. Alfred was concerned she might sell it, which would mean they loose track of her, but Bruce was sure she wanted it for herself.
I'm thinking there may be some in Dark Knight too..I haven't watched that one again yet.
I am thinking about seeing it this weekend, then maybe seeing The Dark Knight Rises again shortly...
The pearls looks the same..with the individual pearls being different sizes..and the one in the middle of the front is the biggest. It is unique looking. All pearls I've seen before have been the same size. Having the individual pearls be slightly different sizes gives his mother's necklace a more distinctive look. I'm thinking Bruce got the pearls back. They were there...they would have been picked up by the police probably. At some point Bruce had them fixed. It was the last gift his father gave his mother, so it had importance to him beyond just that they were his mother's. I can't remember for sure if there was a tracking device in them when Selina took them or not. If there was, he probably did that so that he could always get them back if they were taken. At least that is my thoughts on it.
I seem to remember a tracking device. He and Alfred were talking about it, that it wouldn't be a problem to find her. Alfred was concerned she might sell it, which would mean they loose track of her, but Bruce was sure she wanted it for herself.
I remember Bruce and Alfred talking about finding Selina and the necklace..and Bruce saying that she took it for herself because she liked it. They may have mentioned a tracking device. I just can't remember for sure now. I need to see the movie again. I think it makes sense that Bruce would have had a tracker put on it.
I'm thinking there may be some in Dark Knight too..I haven't watched that one again yet.
I am thinking about seeing it this weekend, then maybe seeing The Dark Knight Rises again shortly...
I definitely want to see Dark Knight Rises again in the theater too. Maybe I'll manage that next week.
