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Title: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 03, 2009, 02:34:15 PM
Mine will likely be fairly average amongst you lot. Not because I'm a scaredy-cat like Rich, but just for lack of time...    ;)
Title: The Hills Have Eyes (1977)
Post by: Najemikon on October 03, 2009, 03:17:57 PM
The Hills Have Eyes (1977)
4 out of 5


A family are travelling across the desert to get to California when they break down. They are soon attacked by another family. Of mutants!

Well, I’m surprised. Wes Craven directed a film that has an excellent balance between sickening, confrontational imagery and a plot that actually means something and stays coherent! Wonders never cease. The Last House On The Left, Nightmare on Elm St. and Scream all pale against this.

The violence is sickeningly brutal and can disturb because it’s so realistic. Cannibalistic mutants are pure comic book, but actually, Craven wisely has them as a family unit too, so there are key characters that can relate to and function with one another and know how to make the best of their environment. That includes the awful victimisation of their urban equivalents, a perfect, happy little family. This can’t end well. To survive, the tourists have to make some horrendous choices, stripping away their humanity to hold onto the last shred of decency: a kidnapped baby. What happens to them to bring them to this point I won’t attempt to describe. You already know if this is your sort of film.

I’ve said before I regard Craven’s earlier “The Last House On The Left” one of the worst films I have ever seen. Beyond the terrible quality of the acting and direction, I couldn’t help but feel the murders were the director playing out his fantasies, and the resultant revenge for was too absurd to be taken seriously. Here the plot is somewhat similar, but logical. The attacks the family endure are terrifying, without turning into torture porn and the survivors fight-back is believable. Both films consider what normal people are capable of and while I know Last House was trying to say something about how they resort to cold-blooded revenge, I find this films pushed-into-a-corner far better executed, especially with some of the audience friendly set-pieces. I especially loved how one of the dogs goes on her own rampage after the loss of her mate, picking two off herself!

The remake, which is very good and has one or two points up on this version, actually makes it less threatening by having more mutants, with less of a tangible relationship to one another, and it was all clearly the governments fault. That’s more ambiguous in this original, or at least pushes the idea that we are still responsible for our actions and how we react. It’s also reassuringly raw and low budget.
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: addicted2dvd on October 03, 2009, 03:26:22 PM
I know what you are going to say Jon... but I am going to say it anyway! :P

After watching the remake... I definitely want to see the original! :)
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 03, 2009, 03:43:41 PM
Hey, not so fast! I saw the remake first and avoided this for ages because Wes Craven normally disappoints me. As it is, both versions are good... :D
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: addicted2dvd on October 03, 2009, 03:59:12 PM
Wow!... That is a shocker... I usually get a hard time for watching the remakes first!  :P
Title: Ghost Town ***
Post by: Najemikon on October 03, 2009, 09:02:22 PM
Ghost Town
3 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/ghostt.jpg)

Ricky Gervais plays dentist Bertram Pincus, who briefly dies during a small operation. This gives him the ability to see ghosts and they, like most people, really annoy him. Especially Frank (Greg Kinnear) who wants help making sure his widow (Tea Leoni) doesn't remarry.

This is a cute film. In some ways it can't help but repeat old ground from Ghost, but there's just a hint of [British] irony to stop it being purely sentimental mushy rubbish. Though there is that too. Greg Kinnear is great as Frank, trying to right the wrongs of his life, but he would have been lost without straight-man (for the most part) Gervais. It's another miserable bastard variation for him to play, but he does very well and I'm always pleasantly surprised at the mileage he gets out of what is essentially the same routine. There's a nice twist on his usual trick of pretending not to understand a question when a Doctor does it to him, brilliantly. I'm certainly never bored by him and he has some cracking lines that made me laugh out loud, especially when he's dealing with the various ghosts begging him for help (which of course he refuses). I'm not sure his character would have been that witty, but he saves it mainly for scenes with or about Tea Leoni's character so we can easily claim she's having the effect on him as he falls for her. I enjoyed her character and the two work very well off of each other, and all three leads flesh out what could easily have been very thin roles. Leoni on particular has always had a slight unpredictability, which is essential in a film like this.

Because yes, this is fully-certified, middle-of-the-road, completely harmless rom-com, and as should be, it is very predictable. Heck, think really hard for a couple of minutes and I bet you can work out the broad plot without seeing the film! Don't do that though, it is worth seeing, because like all good rom-coms, it knows how predictable it is and generally gets on with it. I do wish the middle section had been shorter so there'd have been more time in the last act. A couple of very funny ghosts fall by the wayside, which was a shame. Still, it's occasionally moving, occasionally hilarious, if dependably obvious.

EDIT: Btw, this is worth seeing on Blu-Ray. New York looks absolutely gorgeous, especially just on the cusp of winter. And there's some nice time-lapse effects that I'm sure would have been lost a little bit on DVD.
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 03, 2009, 09:04:19 PM
Ok, before any smart-arse tries to call me out on the above film, this is a Halloween marathon and it says the bloody word "Ghost" in the title. Ok? Cleared up? Gore be due soon, people!  :tease:

Hey, Richie, keep Ghost Town in mind, mate, for when you wuss out by Tuesday...  :devil:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Jimmy on October 03, 2009, 09:32:36 PM
Ok, before any smart-arse tries to call me out on the above film, this is a Halloween marathon and it says the bloody word "Ghost" in the title. Ok? Cleared up? Gore be due soon, people!  :tease:
You have read my mind when I was reading your review ready to post that it isn't an horror film at all :laugh:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Dragonfire on October 03, 2009, 10:54:40 PM
I've been wanting to see Ghost Town. 
I would probably include it this month too because of the ghost connection.  But then I like watching ghost type movies in October.
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: goodguy on October 04, 2009, 11:03:12 AM
Ok, before any smart-arse tries to call me out on the above film, this is a Halloween marathon and it says the bloody word "Ghost" in the title. Ok? Cleared up? Gore be due soon, people!  :tease:

 :hmmmm: So I could watch all my Hamlet versions as part of the Halloween marathon? Interesting idea.
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 04, 2009, 12:29:03 PM
Ok, before any smart-arse tries to call me out on the above film, this is a Halloween marathon and it says the bloody word "Ghost" in the title. Ok? Cleared up? Gore be due soon, people!  :tease:

 :hmmmm: So I could watch all my Hamlet versions as part of the Halloween marathon? Interesting idea.

Why not? I may even try to fit Branagh's version in, thanks for the pointer.  :thumbup:
Title: Blade ****
Post by: Najemikon on October 04, 2009, 01:08:35 PM
Blade
4 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/blade.jpg)

Blade (Wesley Snipes) is a half-human, half-vampire, the "Daywalker", waging war on a secret society of vampires with help from Whistler (Kris Kristofferson). He rescues a doctor from a vampire attack and her skills with blood may help find Blade a new serum against the thirst that tortures him. Meanwhile Frost (Stephen Dorff) is trying to bring about a vampire apocalypse...

When great comic book based movies are discussed, somehow Blade always gets forgotten. And it really isn't fair because it still holds up as one of the best. The story format of a martial artist vigilante with cool weapons and a faithful (if foul-mouthed!) assistant could be seen as a Batman clone and the style is very much like Nolan's two films. In fact, Christian Bale could do worse than throw in a couple of Blade's lines, because the tone is no less serious, but the dialogue certainly lightens it. And interesting that it came out a year before The Matrix. It matches that film for coolness and bares comparison with the plot (chosen one, prophecy). They certainly go to the same tailor, all black leather and sunglasses, and buy similar CDs, but surely a year is too tight to accuse the Wachowski's of ripping it off? But the likeness is uncanny, especially when Blade tells Karen the world she knows is a "sugar-coated topping" hiding the "real world". Actually, no, if they did copy it, The Matrix would have been far more entertaining with less po-faced exposition... ;)

Because Blade is coldly lit, sombre and dark, but very entertaining with solid action throughout. The ending is silly and stretches the CGi past breaking point, but up to that point the plot produces some wonderful set-pieces and Norrington has a great eye for imagery; the "Blood Bath" opening, the freaky oracle vampire, the library, etc. You can see why it would attract Guillermo Del Toro to the sequel. Some criticise the villain, but I though Stephen Dorff did a good enough job and he is at least supported by a gang straight out of an 80s action thriller (and that's no bad thing). All the characters are memorable, especially Kristofferson's cranky old Whistler. The fights and lightly used gore also make this one of the last properly successful comic book films for adults.

Stephen Norrington really couldn't have done much better and I find it odd that he would go on to direct the pathetic League of Extraordinary Gentlemen which doesn't have any subtlety at all, and was such a bad experience he exiled himself. He is apparently working on a new version of The Crow and on this evidence it's an excellent idea. I look forward to smacking people in the face with my Blade DVD when they make the inevitable accusations that he's ripping off The Dark Knight!
Title: Deliverance *****
Post by: Najemikon on October 06, 2009, 09:53:15 PM
Deliverance
5 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/deliverance.jpg)

Four friends set off an a canoe trip down a Georgia river to experience the incredible wilderness before it's destroyed. They get far more than they bargained for and the experience will change them forever... 

Deliverance is an astonishing achievement, all the more so for its modesty. It's powerful yet it delivers in an even tone that feels authentic and consistent. While not a horror as such, there is suspense, there is fear, yet those scenes (and one so famous you probably know it anyway) don't feel in any way exaggerated. Which just adds to the spell.

All the elements are perfect. John Boorman is a master technician and a poet, who took a very fine screenplay written with James Dickey (author of the novel), four brilliant actors and then filmed them on a beautiful yet unpredictable river. The gorgeous cinematography of Vilmos Zsigmond ranges from picture postcard to dark violence and there is an ever-present sense of foreboding from at least the night camp when some of their confidence has given way to suspicion. There's a fantastic shot that should stick out like a sore thumb, yet like an earlier moment (passing under a bridge), it feels organic. Boorman never does anything just for the sake of it.

The cast couldn't be better; two theatre players (Ned Beatty and Ronny Cox), a method actor (Jon Voight) and a movie star (Burt Reynolds) all fit their parts like a glove. When Reynolds was being serious there were few to touch him, but here he outdoes himself. Some of his lines are like poetry, yet he sells them every time. They all have their moments and give raw performances (Beatty especially) while the story unfolds in a surprising way.

It's a story about nature and about men. You could write pages (don't worry, I won't!) exploring the relationship between the two. Suffice to say, they bite off more than they can chew and after a brief morality play, have to deal with the consequences of awful violence. Boorman makes you feel it as well. Every grimy moment.

It's a superb film that epitomises the freedom of the 70s while filmmakers were still mavericks, yet it will likely never date, because it's subject is timeless and it should stand forever as a testament to what film can do and what it can mean. To be honest, this has been a hard review to write and I'm sure I haven't come close to capturing the essence of it. So do me a favour; if you have any interest in cinema, just watch it. And if you don't like it, watch it again.  ;)
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Achim on October 07, 2009, 12:39:16 PM
Deliverance is an awesome film that should not be missed!
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: richierich on October 07, 2009, 01:20:11 PM
Deliverance is an awesome film that should not be missed!

+1  :thumbup:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 08, 2009, 10:50:38 PM
Good to see there's real taste on these forums! Hopefully, Pete will be joining in the chorus soon... :P
Title: Re-Animator ****
Post by: Najemikon on October 08, 2009, 11:16:51 PM
Re-Animator
4 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/rean.jpg)

Slightly insane Dr. Herbert West (Jeffrey Combs) has discovered how to bring the dead back to life. His experiments don't stay secret for long...

Re-Animator is one of the most gleefully gruesome films ever made. It's a great little horror story (by Lovecraft) that has it's roots deep in classic horror, most obviously Frankenstein. And the wonderful Combs is perfect as the disturbed West. I want to say "mad scientist", but actually he plays West as quietly serious and dedicated. We can excuse his naivety when he re-animates his flatmates cat (and it proceeds to launch it's bloody carcass at everyone!), so perhaps we only understand the real depths of his insanity when... no. I won't say it. It involves a shovel and it really isn't very nice. :devil:

The gore really is a bit OTT, but Stuart Gordon keeps the balance with the story just right throughout. The credits sequence is a perfect introduction to the style, with it's garish colours and detailed anatomy diagrams, and best of all, the theme. It's Bernard Herrmann's famous Psycho tune sped up! Genius. And of course, West's serum is a lovely bright green, as it should be in such a film.

The cast all throw themselves into it. Aside from the brilliant Combs, Robert Sampson (demands respect even as a slavering zombie) and David Gale (Karloff lookalike) might seem too mature and respectable for a film like this, but you wouldn't know it from their performances. Bruce Abbott and Barbara Crampton are the focus of the plot, as their romance is put to all sorts of terrible trials. All credit to Crampton who also had to suffer several gratuitous topless shots and one full-frontal where she is subjected to a brief, but outrageous visual gag that will make your jaw drop! By that point another character has slipped into a new level of depravity.

The weird thing is, while I said gratuitous depravity, there's also something rather innocent about the whole thing. Whereas comparable gore-hounds Raimi and Jackson have a real vicious streak, I really feel Gordon is just having the most fun possible and he wants the audience to be complicit and have the same fun. He definitely doesn't pull punches, but his gags are less flashy. He comes from a theatre background I think, so maybe it's a simple case of letting the actors play through the parts with honesty and without accentuating anything with edits and freaky compositions.

This came out the year after Nightmare On Elm St. and while that has a marvellous premise, I think Re-Animator deserves equal recognition. It's a classic horror setup, it looks and sounds great and it's a whole lot of very messy fun!
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: snowcat on October 08, 2009, 11:52:17 PM
Nice! I really like re-animator, I should get it on DVD.
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Jimmy on October 09, 2009, 12:01:32 AM
Always like this one Jon ;D
The sequel isn't too bad (but the dvd is crappy)
The third one isn't that great, Bruce Abbott isn't in it and I miss the chemistry between him and Jeffrey Combs.

Is the dream sequence is include in this dvd also Jon? It's include in the millenium edition and you can see a lot more of Barbara Crampton ;)
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: addicted2dvd on October 09, 2009, 12:25:50 AM
Good to see there's real taste on these forums! Hopefully, Pete will be joining in the chorus soon... :P

Been a very long day Jon... unfortunately didn't get to watch much today.
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 09, 2009, 12:53:19 AM
Always like this one Jon ;D
The sequel isn't too bad (but the dvd is crappy)
The third one isn't that great, Bruce Abbott isn't in it and I miss the chemistry between him and Jeffrey Combs.

Is the dream sequence is include in this dvd also Jon? It's include in the millenium edition and you can see a lot more of Barbara Crampton ;)

I've heard the original crew may pull together for a proper sequel.

The dream sequence is one of the deleted scenes. I see why it was cut, but I'm glad it's there! ;)  if anything though, Barbara is more attractive now...

Hope you're ok, Pete.
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Jimmy on October 09, 2009, 01:05:37 AM
I've heard the original crew may pull together for a proper sequel.
Certainly a good news ;D
The last time I've heard something about this film it was that it will be remade for another pointless waste of time :thumbdown:

Link (http://www.horror-movies.ca/horror_14624.html)
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Boomstick98 on October 09, 2009, 05:42:53 AM
I always loved Re-Animator, but I haven't watched any of the sequels.  :( I'm thinking of watching The Bride of Re-Animator for my marathon. ;D
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 09, 2009, 01:22:31 PM
I've heard the original crew may pull together for a proper sequel.
Certainly a good news ;D
The last time I've heard something about this film it was that it will be remade for another pointless waste of time :thumbdown:

Link (http://www.horror-movies.ca/horror_14624.html)

Ah, hell. That's later than what I read. Remake? For crying out loud!  :voodoo:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Jimmy on October 09, 2009, 06:46:49 PM
Another news, you decide if it's better :whistle:

(http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/2/10/9/aesp_pres/f_gods8onr6klm_7cf994a.jpg)

Herbert West Goes To The Head Of The Class In New ‘Re-Animator’ TV Series (http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/tv-news/herbert-west-goes-to-the-head-of-the-class-in-new-re-animator-tv-series.php)

 :giljotiini:

Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 09, 2009, 07:12:42 PM
Uh? What are they trying to do? Do they think they can capitalise on things like Pushing Daisies? Weird. Maybe if it was an anthology type story, with a twist on ER and different cases each episode. West would be the weirdo trying to hide his experiments...  :shrug:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Achim on October 10, 2009, 12:28:09 AM
Herbert West Goes To The Head Of The Class In New ‘Re-Animator’ TV Series (http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/tv-news/herbert-west-goes-to-the-head-of-the-class-in-new-re-animator-tv-series.php)
:suicide:


Re-Animator is one of my favorite films too. Stuart Gordon seems like a really nice man, whenever I see him in interviews. Unfortunately he seems to be a bit unlucky at times and his films are usually not getting the attention they deserve. On the other hand, some of his films show merely great potential and then fall short in some parts and can't achieve the greatness that his name promises.
Title: Shaun of the Dead *****
Post by: Najemikon on October 10, 2009, 02:52:12 AM
Shaun of the Dead
5 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/shaun.jpg)

Shaun (Simon Pegg) is struggling to make his relationship with Liz (Kate Ashfield) work, because he spends too much time at the pub and with his friend Ed (Nick Frost). A zombie outbreak is the last thing he needs...

Shaun of the Dead is a far better film than you might expect. It's a proper zombie film, albeit a funny one, with irony and gore by the bucket load. Made by people who love the old zombie flicks, it's wonderful fun with a lot of heart. Simon Pegg and especially Nick Frost are hilarious throughout and pull off the more dramatic stuff too (a very British thing to successfully mix drama and slap-stick).

It's one of the best purely British films for years. Aside from a fantastic cast, the characters feel very true, so you might not ask for a romantic comedy when you sit down for some gore, but you get one anyway! It helps that they don't have to change because the best zombie films are never character driven; you introduce zombies to any mix and it simply accentuates the relationships and neurotics that were already there and lets them play out naturally and confidently in a state of heightened tension. Shaun and his companions don't affect the situation at all, they just try to survive it. You can take the actors out of the sitcom, but you can't take the sitcom out of the actors! Good job as well.

Spaced wasn't just any sitcom though. They peppered every episode with affectionate digs at classic movies, throwing plenty of perfectly judged gags around in some complicated sequences, yet never drowning the story. Shaun is more of the same on a basic level, but the screenplay is more assured and ambitious with lots of old-fashioned links between scenes (a throwaway line early in the movie gives you clue to a characters fate). And the ending is wonderful. Again typical sitcom (not even rom-coms are this natural), but with a nice twist in the zombie plot.

Neither the rom-com, or the zombie factor are compromised. Both naturally compliment each other, so you get the absolute best of both worlds and something unique and brilliant is the result. Written by and starring talented film-geeks with a detailed understanding of what a zombie story is, it's definitely a film for this generation and will last for years. Hot Fuzz was a very funny follow up to Shaun, but not as clever or honest (that time the characters couldn't be so laid back). Edgar Wright gives excellent value for money, regardless of what he does.
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Achim on October 10, 2009, 11:19:04 AM
Somehow your (deserved) praise of Shaun of the Dead makes me feel I want to upgrade to Blu-ray... :slaphead:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 10, 2009, 11:50:22 AM
I was thinking the same while I watched it. I wonder what the transfer is like?  :-[ Both this and Hot Fuzz are released on Monday...  :tomato:
Title: The Thing *****
Post by: Najemikon on October 11, 2009, 07:07:24 PM
The Thing
5 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/thing.jpg)

In John Carpenter's update of a 50s b-movie classic, a research team in Antarctica are attacked by a shape-shifting alien that could be any one of them...

This is a gory and powerful update to The Thing From Another World and unlike most remakes, is more than a classic of the genre in its own right. The story bears a lot of comparison with Alien and the subtle mood is similar too, except instead of the team hunting an intruder, they're hunting themselves, because this particular parasite can imitate anyone perfectly.

Well, first it has to eat them and each sequence is a marvellously disgusting exercise in special effects and the modern benchmark for any anti-CGI debates. The invention of these horrible creations is astonishing; "You've got to be f***ing kidding me", says one character and your jaw will drop too. He was referring to a severed head growing spider legs and scuttling away, but there are several scenes like that!

Carpenter's lean and focused screenplay features distinct variations of food for the Thing, effectively brought to life by a first-class cast of character actors, led by Kurt Russell, Donald Moffat and Keith David. As I said before, Alien was a clear inspiration for the approach and they are all similarly weary and memorable, so you feel it as they get picked off. There is a stand-out moment with several of them tied together while Russell tests their blood.

The music by Ennio Morricone (as well as Carpenter's usual synthesiser motifs) is sombre and builds a tense, doom-laden mood from the off, matched by sharp cinematography. Carpenter makes the most of the bleak landscape, but breaks it up with contrasting sets and lighting. The moment the generator fails is brilliantly done. As a side note, I watched the Blu-Ray edition and the bits featuring fire are particularly fine.

This is a milestone in the horror genre. The nature of the story means the parasites forms are limited only by imagination, yet never appear gratuitous and only add to the atmosphere. Above all this a character piece as you see them quickly break down under the paranoia. And it's difficult to work out who has been assimilated and how, so this brilliantly puts you in the same position as the characters.

It makes you bite your nails, jump out of your chair and threatens to make you throw up too! You'll be in a hell of a mess by the end of this film, but that's what the best horrors do.  :devil:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Rogmeister on October 11, 2009, 08:51:14 PM
I actually saw "The Thing" when it first came out in a real theater and it was quite an experience.  I saw it with a couple of friends who I don't see anymore.  I miss the movie-going experience more than I miss those guys, though.  ::)
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 12, 2009, 07:27:32 PM
I actually saw "The Thing" when it first came out in a real theater and it was quite an experience.  I saw it with a couple of friends who I don't see anymore.  I miss the movie-going experience more than I miss those guys, though.  ::)

 :laugh: It is one of the films though that I wish I could have seen when it was first released because it must have been quite a surprise, especially if you knew the original and weren't expecting anything quite so visceral.
Title: The Fly ****
Post by: Najemikon on October 12, 2009, 08:11:32 PM
The Fly
4 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/fly.jpg)

David Cronenberg re-imagines the classic film with Jeff Goldblum as the eccentric scientist who has an accident during one of his teleport experiments and finds himself merged with a fly. Geena Davis is the girlfriend journalist who sticks by him... well, until bits start dropping off anyway.

The original film was a typical b-movie horror with a great mad scientist plot. David Cronenberg's update keeps the broad comic book story, but delves deeper into the disgustingly weird and nasty business of Seth Brundle becoming Brundle-Fly. His work is often about mutations, in everything from The Brood to Exitenz and he's just as fascinated by the mind as well. This is probably his most accessible film, except for A History of Violence, but while brilliant and my personal favourite, it's hardly his usual style. No, the gradual transformation of both body and mind into vomit-inducing mush is far more his line!

Strangely, the first part of the story is rather flat. Goldblum is excellent and Davis does nothing wrong, but somehow it doesn't click for me. All stories like this have a long-ish build-up, but this is written too well! There's little of the hokey dialogue you'd get in the old days, but the plot still has clear checkpoints (social misfit; doesn't like travel; etc) and daft convenience (the computer is hilariously naive!) that can write off years of development overnight. It can jar against an otherwise powerful script that is almost from another film. In an odd way, I was reminded of Silence of the Lambs, not least because of Howard Shores wonderful score, but an investigative girl being dragged into an enigmatic madman's world isn't far off the mark either. John Getz's hissable villain may surprise before the end and his character rounds out a very original version of what could have been all too predictable.

Cronenberg really finds his stride once Brundle makes the drunken decision to put himself through the teleporter. From here it's Goldblum's show and his mental and especially physical breakdown makes for fascinating viewing. As with The Thing, the special effects are gruesomely real, but now with the added horror that someone has really thought this through. So you may feel a little queasy when he scratches his ear or mutters about his museum of relics! The Elephant Man was never like this...

Often a film like this lives and dies by the ending, but the pace isn't lost for a moment and the finale is gloriously mad. Part of me prefers the ending of the original ("Help me!"), but this is still brilliant, horrifying fun, with just a hint of poignancy.
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: richierich on October 12, 2009, 08:46:19 PM
 :redcard:
C'mon Jon, stop playing safe with these old 'thrillers' and start watching some real unknown horror films like I am!!!






 :tomato:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Jimmy on October 12, 2009, 10:34:08 PM
I agree with Rich :thumbup:
I'm sure that you own some movies more obscure than that. What next Jon, Helraiser? Psycho? Scream? :tease:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 12, 2009, 10:56:15 PM
Obscure? You want obscure? Well, heck, you just went and did it, didn't you!  :redcard:

I should warn you that my definition of "obscure" is in ratio with Richie not even picking horror movies...  :tease:
Title: Re: The Fly ****
Post by: Achim on October 12, 2009, 11:06:16 PM
I was thinking the same while I watched it. I wonder what the transfer is like?  :-[ Both this and Hot Fuzz are released on Monday...  :tomato:
Not sure I need to upgrade Hot Fuzz. :shrug:

DVD Talk seems sufficiently satisfied (http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/38553/shaun-of-the-dead/) with the Shaun of the Dead transfer...

The Fly
I keep hearing they are planning a remake. Last I heard Cronenberg himself was attached as director :headscratch:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Jimmy on October 12, 2009, 11:23:44 PM
I should warn you that my definition of "obscure" is in ratio with Richie not even picking horror movies...
:hysterical:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: richierich on October 12, 2009, 11:31:30 PM
I should warn you that my definition of "obscure" is in ratio with Richie not even picking horror movies...
:hysterical:
:hysterical: :hysterical:
Title: Event Horizon ***
Post by: Najemikon on October 12, 2009, 11:36:30 PM
Event Horizon
3 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/event.jpg)

The Event Horizon is a ship with a gravity drive that disappeared 7 years ago. Now it's reappeared and no-one knows where it has been. But as it can fold space and can generate black holes, that could be anywhere. The designer Dr. Weir (Sam Neill) accompanies a rescue crew headed by Captain Miller (Laurence Fishburne) to see what can be salvaged...

Paul W. S. Anderson is a hack and a studio whore. Bit strong, I know, but the guy needs a slap! Event Horizon, though derivative, could have been fantastic. Just like AVP and Resident Evil (except at least a bit more original), it showed promise, but pulls every punch. Apparently the result of three test screenings and a studio hoping for a PG-13 (even Anderson didn't want to go to NC-17. Why the hell not?), the only really potentially disturbing stuff is in single frames. Gorehounds, prepare to pause! There is all sorts of horrors in there. Why would any director put so much work in just to strip it back to the bone?

On paper the potential for me liking it was huge. The look of Alien, the imagery of The Shining and Hellraiser, and the heart of Solaris. It says a lot for it that I saw it on release, formed an opinion that hasn't changed, yet still came back, just in case... but it's put together so badly, it can't do anything other than fail. It's like it was made by a computer that analysed scary movies! The look of Alien, yes, but the characters were more important and these are slickly entertaining, admirably international (sort of), but lack depth. Copying The Shining is easy, but cutting the Hellraiser images to the point you only think you saw something cool is idiotic. Solaris? Forget it. The story descends into into such clichéd mess the drama of Sam Neill being haunted by his dead wife is lost. While it's all very enigmatic, there is no real substance.

It looks pretty. The ship itself is a wonderful creation, especially the gravity drive. It's outrageously Gothic yet still seems Nostromo like feasible. Some of the set-pieces are superb, especially the rescue of Justin (Jack Noseworthy) unfortunate enough to find himself outside without a suit. Others fall flat and predictable (demons like fist fights it seems. Yawn.). The cast are excellent and happily chew up the shallow limits of the script within minutes, but they make sure it's always fun. But I wanted to be thrilled and the proof is in the pudding; for all it's efforts, I didn't jump once and I never recoiled like The Fly or The Thing made me do. Nails all intact, whereas I should have gnawed them to the bone.

Event Horizon is a good example of why properly disturbing mainstream movies these days are pretty much impossible. Once you get a budget big enough to pull off the ideas, you have to start dialling it back so the sensitive teenagers can pay to watch it and think they've seen something cool, when in fact it's nothing more than Scooby Doo: Lost In Space.
Title: Re: The Fly ****
Post by: Najemikon on October 12, 2009, 11:45:17 PM
I was thinking the same while I watched it. I wonder what the transfer is like?  :-[ Both this and Hot Fuzz are released on Monday...  :tomato:
Not sure I need to upgrade Hot Fuzz. :shrug:

DVD Talk seems sufficiently satisfied (http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/38553/shaun-of-the-dead/) with the Shaun of the Dead transfer...

The Fly
I keep hearing they are planning a remake. Last I heard Cronenberg himself was attached as director :headscratch:

I heard that too and joined the chorus singing "Why?", but now I've caught up with it again, I think there are a few depths Cronenberg could still mine. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a bit annoyed at having to obey convention at least a little bit. Nowadays audiences are more savy and might buy in straight away. And Del Toro has that style of horror sown up now, so I say go for it.

I've bought too many Blus! Shaun can wait until another viewing is due at least. But what's wrong with Hot Fuzz? Maybe you have to be British to appreciate it properly!  :P
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 12, 2009, 11:46:02 PM
I should warn you that my definition of "obscure" is in ratio with Richie not even picking horror movies...
:hysterical:
:hysterical: :hysterical:

Event Horizon...

Told you! Paul W.S. Anderson? What was I thinking? :slaphead:
Title: Re: Event Horizon ***
Post by: Jimmy on October 13, 2009, 12:26:53 AM
Scooby Doo: Lost In Space
Now this is something I would like to watch. Of course in its cartoon form...

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Title: Re: The Fly ****
Post by: Achim on October 13, 2009, 01:25:00 PM
I heard that too and joined the chorus singing "Why?", but now I've caught up with it again, I think there are a few depths Cronenberg could still mine. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a bit annoyed at having to obey convention at least a little bit. Nowadays audiences are more savy and might buy in straight away. And Del Toro has that style of horror sown up now, so I say go for it.
Oh yeah, I am sure Cronenberg will have something up his sleaves when he decides to go from refusing to do it to committing to it.

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I've bought too many Blus! Shaun can wait until another viewing is due at least. But what's wrong with Hot Fuzz? Maybe you have to be British to appreciate it properly!  :P
I just placed three orders (have to size them around $100 to avoid having to pay import duty) myself yesterday. Mostly Blu (like Wizard of Oz or Hardware :clap: as well as catching up on TV such as Big Bang: S2, Terminator: S2 and Dexter: S3 [full report once they arrive in Taiwan).

Nothing wrong with Hot Fuzz! I just feel that I am quite happy with the DVD I own and see no need to upgrade that one. Of course, with Shaun being from my favorite genre, that's a different matter :)
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: snowcat on October 13, 2009, 08:36:47 PM
Scooby Doo Lost in Space! what a brilliant idea!
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:p
Title: Re: Event Horizon ***
Post by: Najemikon on October 14, 2009, 08:00:41 PM
Scooby Doo: Lost In Space
Now this is something I would like to watch. Of course in its cartoon form...

(http://img03.imagefra.me/img/img03/2/10/12/aesp_pres/f_gods8onr6kmm_93349e6.jpg)

Love it!  :hysterical:
Title: Tenebre ****
Post by: Najemikon on October 14, 2009, 08:51:04 PM
Tenebre
4 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/tene.jpg)

Anthony Franciosa stars as an American mystery novelist on a promotional tour in Rome who finds that his most recent book has inspired a copycat serial killer.

My first taste of Dario Argento's films was the magnificent Suspiria (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,4159.msg82179.html#msg82179) and in comparison, Tenebre comes across a bit flat, with a washed out quality and looks far too grey for my liking. Apparently Argento was going for an "ice cold" look and all the costumes are dull colours for consistency, but they are also real locations. Suspiria was pouring with colour on a set that could easily be manipulated and I much prefer that. I was reminded of a 1980s British TV drama and it is so much more than that.

The story is a fairly straightforward whodunnit, but it's a great pulpy plot that will interest anyone who likes a good thriller, especially with the audacious twist at the end. There are a couple of holes in the logic, but it's good fun while also having something to say about perversion and obsession. There are several murders as you'd hope in a Giallo; the one that opens the film I found weak, but the others are brilliantly staged. Not too much gore, but well placed enough to make you gasp. There's a wonderful theatrical element to how the victims are despatched (especially one with an arc of blood spraying across the wall!). The female victims are by and large played by awful actresses, probably hired from a modelling agency going by their looks! Interestingly though that says something about the killer and maybe the director, when you consider the soft-focus framing of gruesome murders. One girl in particular is so much a cliché lesbian, it had to be on purpose.

It's Argento's superb direction in those sequences and others that really make the film. I'd have preferred some Hitchcockian discipline as sometimes the good jars with the mundane, but touches like the killers point of view (Peeping Tom style) and the long tracking shot couldn't be better. It has its demented side too, with enigmatic dream sequences, a dog attack that doesn't quite deliver (but is still very much against convention) and a great soundtrack by what was left of Goblin (responsible for Dawn of the Dead and Suspiria). The characters are well set up, especially the funny female detective (Carola Stagnaro). Anthony Franciosa and John Saxon give great value too. It's just a shame the dubbing frequently distracts.

It's flawed but well worth seeing because thrillers like this are ten-a-penny now, but usually lack the passion. It could be mistaken for being gratuitous, but Argento, while possibly revealing something of his own dark-side, manipulates the viewer into the same perversions as his killer. What you think about the film by the end, may say more about you than it does of it...  :devil:
Title: Dog Soldiers ****
Post by: Najemikon on October 18, 2009, 09:08:27 PM
Dog Soldiers
4 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/dogs.jpg)

Soldiers on an exercise in Scotland come up against werewolves...

This is a great debut from director Neil Marshall, working from his own superb screenplay that turns unavoidable weaknesses (namely the budget) into strengths. He knows exactly what he can get away with and brings the audience in on the joke. We're scared when we should be scared and laugh when we should too.

The story takes its lead from Predator, with soldiers banter giving way to a mad dash for safety when they're attacked by werewolves, and it becomes more akin to Night of the Living Dead once the survivors are in a deserted farmhouse, complete with suicide missions and the wounded turning into the creatures. The script balances the jokes, the gore and the scares without any awkwardness. Not long into the film there's a Predator camp-fire moment that easily qualifies for all three! A fine cast led by Sean Pertwee and Kevin McKidd find their jobs all the easier for the solid writing. The film relies on McKidd as Cooper, but most of the best lines go to Pertwee's memorable Sergeant. Everyone finds just the right tone, even for some corny jokes ("there is no spoon!").

But good writing and acting aren't enough in a horror film; we need action and gore as well! Marshall does well to disguise his men-in-suit effects, using editing and shadows to create old fashioned scares and proving that CGI is often a crutch for lazy film-makers. There's only a couple of cheap moments and they are normally supported by a well placed scare, like the unfortunate soldier who becomes a kebab or Pertwee's hilarious gut-problems! Within the farmhouse, the creatures stand a few close-ups and some of the imagery is fantastic, especially the moment in a garage.

It really only stumbles in the final act. There's an obvious twist, but in a film like this, second-guessing doesn't matter, but it unexpectedly undoes the good work of a previous scene and it leaves the film feeling laboured for a short-while. However, the final scenes are fantastic building up to a nicely done end. All-in-all, one of the best horrors of recent years and the budget probably couldn't have paid for the catering on disappointments like I Am Legend.  
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: snowcat on October 18, 2009, 09:23:26 PM
I really like Dog Soldiers, I thought it was a film that was criticised for no reason, It does have some great imagery! and I agree about the garage scene.
Title: Monsters, Inc. ****
Post by: Najemikon on October 18, 2009, 10:14:36 PM
Monsters, Inc.
4 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/monsters.jpg)

Who knew that the monster in your closet was just doing his job? Monsters, Inc. is where Sulley (John Goodman) and Mike (Billy Crystal) work, good naturedly scaring kids in the human world to provide energy for their own. But actually, the monsters are more scared of the kids, which are toxic to them. So when Boo gets trapped on the other side of her closet, Mike and Sulley have to get her back while fending off the villainous Randall (Steve Buscemi)...

What a wonderful world of cinema we're in that can accurately call a fantastic film like this merely average, but thanks to Pixar, the best studio working today, that's exactly what we can do. Monsters, Inc. is less ambitious or subtle than most of their others, yet it's still better than most other children's films since. So, average it is then!

It's great fun from start to finish, very funny and quite clever in its own way. The broader target of the story means everyone has wider margins they can stretch into, so it becomes quite extravagant, with even the background monsters getting their own gags. Like many of Pixar's stories though, it still comes down to a double act and this is one of the best oddest of odd couples. Mike Wachowski, Billy Crystal has a perfect match for his stand-up brand of humour and in turn, the banter with John Goodman works beautifully. Steve Buscemi as the slimy Randall and James Coburn as Waternoose are similarly well cast. The film could die on the Boo character, but in a brilliant move, she's voiced by just recording one of crews daughters and using the resulting gurgles, giggles and screams, so she's cute and believable when compared to a typical Disney child, and that goes for live action too!

I watched the Blu-Ray version and after the incredible quality of WALL.E and Ratatouille, I was expecting it to be, well, average. However, whereas there have been undeniable advances, this film is jaw-droppingly gorgeous. I think it's simply because the monsters are all sorts of weird shapes and primary colours, they contrast even in their own world (which actually appears a bit like New York anyway). Normally, the figures would suit and to some extend, blend into their environment, but here they dazzle in the differences and you can really pick out the detail, especially texture in the slimier characters! Randall is particularly fanatastic, changing colour all the time, but the real star is Sulley. I remember the articles at the time saying how they were animating the individual hairs of his fur. Now for the first time, I can actually see it properly and it is astonishing. Add in beautiful moments like when he emerges into a dark, red-lit tunnel, and trying to justify calling this film average gets harder by the second.

Oh, yeah. I suppose the kids will like it too...  ;)
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 18, 2009, 10:16:00 PM
I really like Dog Soldiers, I thought it was a film that was criticised for no reason, It does have some great imagery! and I agree about the garage scene.

I know what you mean. In The Descent I think he really made his mark, but he deserved more praise for this too.
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: snowcat on October 18, 2009, 10:20:22 PM
I really like Dog Soldiers, I thought it was a film that was criticised for no reason, It does have some great imagery! and I agree about the garage scene.

I know what you mean. In The Descent I think he really made his mark, but he deserved more praise for this too.

:p im one of the weird people that thought Dog Soldiers was better then the Descent :p
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 18, 2009, 10:25:55 PM
Nothing weird about it, but it's certainly smoother so there's less room for people to criticise. :) Personally, Dog Soldiers I find more fun, but I'm proud that The Descent is a properly scary film and comes from a British director. It's better than anything out of America for about 15 years and can hold its own against the Asian films too.
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Achim on October 19, 2009, 02:15:14 PM
I also couldn't say which is better. Dog Soldiers is way more fun but The Descent is the better horror flick.
Title: Phenomena ****
Post by: Najemikon on October 23, 2009, 10:07:28 PM
Phenomena
4 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/phen.jpg)

Jennifer Connelly plays her name-sake, actors daughter Jennifer Corvino, who travels to a school in Sweden. The area has become notorious for girls going missing and Jennifer is drawn into the killers world by insects. She has an empathy with them, fascinating Scottish professor Donald Pleasence and he helps her try to uncover the murderers identity.

Dario Argento returns to the dark fairytale world of Suspiria with a similar premise and plot to that earlier film, but forgoing the supernatural in favour of a more down-to-earth serial killer. Jennifer's bizarre control over insects could feel shoe-horned in; a hint of fantasy for fantasy sake, but the film as a whole is so completely nuts, it works!

Compared directly with Tenebre, it is a much better film. It looks better and has some powerful set-pieces. The murders are slicker and more brutal for the most part, especially the audacious opener with Dario's own daughter playing the victim. But what is it with him and putting heads through glass windows? In Suspiria, I thought it was a metaphor for the dark reflection of the real world versus the fairy-tale, but now I think that was just film-nerd bollocks (sorry) and actually, he probably does it because it looks really cool! Really he overdoes it, but using a special camera to capture the first one demonstrates his Hitchcock like creativity. If only he shared the Master's discipline, as I said before, it could be superb.

The opening sets up a tasty foreboding atmosphere at the school, but the obvious plot-line of home-sickness and bullying plays out quickly and leads into a new direction with Pleasence as a professor of insects and his assistant, a well-trained chimp. You read that right. A chimp! Maybe more pet or even friend than assistant, but regardless, she is marvellous and absolutely convincing. The main thing here is setting up Jennifer's power over insects, which is a strange conceit stretched to the limit but looks impressive, either summoning clouds of flies, or following single creatures to remains of victims. The two plots of sleepwalking insect queen versus serial killer rampage doesn't quite click, but Argento is so committed to both it's impossible to say which is the after-thought!

As it is the middle of the film goes nowhere and is tedious. The typically stilted acting means the players do little to liven up the film. Donald Pleasence is as you would expect is far and away the best, but he highlights the more amateurish members of the cast and the mundane dialogue. Jennifer Connelly isn't bad, playing with the part with some unexpected attitude, but she's hardly off-screen and it's a big responsibility.

But then we have the final act which is a tour de force as all the elements come together. Again similar to Suspiria's ending of hidden doors and nightmarish traps, but the effects are more grown-up and disturbing as hell. The final confrontation leading from a torturous bath of maggoty remains and insane prisoners to a beautifully filmed underwater sequence, with a truly disgusting foe is mindbending stuff and I can't recommend it enough. And I can't begin to tell you the bloody chimp's role in all of this. Honestly, I've never seen anything quite like that. It's madder than a box a frogs!

I do think the best horror films should contain elements so bizarre that they to some degree alienate the viewer. Even before the scenes with the chimp, there's a lot to take on board with the insects. But convention sets up a safety net, so when you're watching a film you feel could literally go anywhere while still holding onto some sort of logic, there's more trepidation. Take The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and the dinner scene, which creates repulsion. Or Psycho's earlier take on the same story with twists designed to put the viewer in a spin. Most recently, The Mist took no prisoners with it's ending. It's a fine line though and I think Phenomena is ultimately successful and able to stand alongside those.

Conflicting and unresolved ideas cripple the film, but overall it's pacey and so utterly bonkers, it's essential viewing for any horror fan and worth a dozen Screams.  ;)
Title: Let The Right One In *****
Post by: Najemikon on October 24, 2009, 07:07:36 PM
Let The Right One In
5 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/letr.jpg)

Twelve year old Oskar is an outsider, struggling to fit in at school and left alone to fend for himself at home whilst his mother works nights. One evening he meets the mysterious Eli. As a sweet romance blossoms between them, Oskar learns to overcome his tormentors and discovers Eli's dark secret and the connections to the gruesome events occuring across town. Together they must help Eli be gone and live, or stay and die.

Let the Right One In is the most original yet traditional horror film for years, even if it’s about a vampire, which along with zombies have been done to un-death. LTROI reworks the accepted lore into something fresh and definitive.  I’m not sure any film before it has quite captured the essence of the legendary creature as well as this. If The Wicker Man is the Citizen Kane of Horror, then this could be the Citizen Kane of Vampires. There are enough of them now to warrant a genuine sub-genre! It is a benchmark to judge others by, along with Dracula, Nosferatu and... well, that’s probably it.
 
Vampires have become more like rock stars in superb movies like The Lost Boys and Blade, not to mention Buffy, but they play with the idea of secret societies, prophecies and conspiracies. This gets back to the idea of the vampire as an elemental, lone creature, obeying its nature. The twists on the classic rules are so good, you feel this is how it should always have been, especially resting places, inviting one into your home (and more importantly your life), plus there’s no silly Interview With the Vampire style soul searching when it comes to turning someone, even if it does happen by accident.

A lot happens by accident actually. Per Ragnor plays Eli’s faithful guardian (Igor? ;)), but has no luck. Almost as if his efforts to keep her hidden are simply denying her nature, because when she kills for herself, it’s messily efficient. The effects are sparse, but used perfectly, particularly Eli’s subtle changes and noises (stomach rumblings to snarls!). Director Tomas Alfredson is at pains to show the violence as awful as it would really be. And let me assure you, this is powerful stuff at times even if the nature of the story might lead you to think punches are pulled.

In that sense, and aesthetically, it is probably closest to Romero’s Martin, but its proud genre roots means it’s far more watchable despite the cold and melancholy story that unfolds slowly with meticulous attention to detail, supported by Johan Söderqvist’s beautiful score, ranging from delicate piano to something akin to Bach. The screenplay is disciplined in an old fashioned way that Hollywood forgot how to do and it understands drama properly, never resorting to hyperbole. As Goodguy (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,3213.msg89582.html#msg89582) has commented before, Alfredson builds wonderful visuals out of a very bland setting (perhaps what Argento tried and failed to do in Tenebre).
 
We still have the glamour and seduction, but delivered so sweetly and naturally. (Thanks to Achim (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5515.msg92984.html#msg92984), I hadn't spotted the real meaning of the wonderful moment with the Rubik's cube!) It doesn't matter that Eli (beautifully played by Lina Leandersson) is even aware of what she is doing because the story is about the relationship. Is she conscious of the veneer? She certainly knows she isn’t a “girl” as such and there has been a lot of discussion about her sexuality, but the film is perhaps stressing that Eli is a Thing. I’ve said recently that Horror should always have something the viewer can’t rationalise and this may be relevant here. Like Oskar, we’re drawn into sympathising with Eli, even though we can’t work out what she is or if she deserves it. Actually of course, Oskar doesn’t care because he’s smitten.

There are other changes from the book, reducing the role of Håkan to something more straightforward and making readers gnash their fangs!  But John Ajvide Lindqvist has shown maturity in streamlining his own story to suit a more aesthetic, focused film. That’s the sign of a good adaptation. A book has room to explore characters more deeply, but a screenplay needs to find an audiences emotion and hold it consistently.

Oskar (Kåre Hedebrant, another note-perfect performance in a great cast) is that focus, the real story, and playing it out with children is a masterstroke because you can understand his innocence and desire to believe in fairytales. People are dying, but he’s a bullied outcast,  a loner excluded by his peers and even his parents (there’s a heartbreaking moment with his beloved father, showing there is even a gap there), so no matter what he learns about Eli or what they may do together, she is giving him a purpose. (Note how he never reacts to the bullies, even when they really hurt him).
 
The final scenes continue to challenge the viewer without resorting to a cheap twist and it’s been dismissed by some as that awful term “tacked on”, demonstrating they don’t understand how narrative works! Actually it is a superb sequence. Essentially the story was complete, except for understanding how Oskar will move forward.

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I know I’ve gone on.  A bit. :bag: But I think this is very important and special film. Anyone interested in Horror, or the now acceptable Vampire genre in particular, should experience. Heck, anyone interested in film should see it. It is beautiful and poetic, and plays out with assured confidence by all involved.
Title: Re: Let The Right One In *****
Post by: richierich on October 25, 2009, 11:48:35 AM
Let The Right One In
5 out of 5



Just found this here at £5.93 delivered, much cheaper than elsewhere; http://www.thehut.com/dvd/let-the-right-one-in/10044157.html
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 25, 2009, 11:51:23 AM
Thank you, Rich, that's an excellent price! My Blu-Ray was 10.99 which was pretty good.
Title: Straw Dogs ****
Post by: Najemikon on October 28, 2009, 11:02:14 PM
Straw Dogs ****
4 out of 5


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A young American mathematician, David Sumner (Dustin Hoffman), and his English wife, Amy (Susan George), move to a Cornish village, seeking the quiet life. But beneath the seemingly peaceful isolation of the pastoral village lies a savagery and violence that threatens to destroy the couple, culminating in a brutal test of Sumner's manhood and a bloody battle to the death. Sam Peckinpah's "Straw Dogs" is a harrowing and masterful investigation of masculinity and the nature of violence.

While Straw Dogs is not a Horror, it is an ambitious and relentlessly bleak film that may leave you an exhausted wreck. It isn't fun to watch and it isn't supposed to be. Sam Peckinpah has attracted a lot of criticism because of the violent nature of his films, but what those critics fail to appreciate is his deep understanding of the nature of violence and death. It is never glamorised or gratuitous, but hard, with consequences.

It starts as several of his films do, with children teasing an animal (here, a dog; The Wild Bunch, a scorpion, and even in The Getaway, kids gather around a corpse) which immediately sets the mood. What's fascinating about this particular one though is setting it in a sleepy Cornish village. It's unusual to see such action outside the American West, not that it's exactly an rollercoaster. Very little happens for some time, just characters circling each other and emotions starting to boil.

Dustin Hoffman turns in another typically superb performance as David, an American writer (read, intellectual who doesn't get his hands dirty) who has moved into his young wifes childhood home. It's a complicated role in a  Susan George plays the alluring Amy in the performance of her career. To comment on her performance seems cheap. Few actresses go as deep as this, even if you ignore the several topless scenes. You may already know that Straw Dogs centres on a dreadfully convincing rape sequence. What makes it really tough in this uncut version of the often banned film, is Amy is shown to briefly enjoy the attack. This is challenging stuff.

Be in no doubt though that Amy suffers real trauma. Peckinpah follows the scene with a clever sequence juxtaposing Amy's memories against images of her trying to tolerate a village party. Kids playing party games are interrupted by frames from the earlier attack. Masterpiece of editing. In fact, this is one of the first films I watched some years ago where I learned how well crafted films could be. There is one particular moment that demonstrates how much thought is spent going into what could be dismissed as an accident.

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The last sequence is where it all kicks off with The Siege of Trencher's Farm (the title of the book that inspired the film). A messy, desperate and violent defence of what David believes is right; he's given refuge to a man with obvious learning difficulties who is suspected of killing a child and a lynch mob is determined to get to him. We know the man is guilty, but David and the mob don't know for sure. And while we've been waiting for David to grow a spine, he really picks his moments!

This is the brilliant ironic conceit of the film. David, the mild-mannered focus of the story, is the villain of the plot. His earlier inability to deal with several difficult situations properly has formed the catalyst for the violence, even the rape (he left her alone out of spite to go hunting with the very men who double-back to attack her). Can we even blame the mob for them wanting revenge? They are ignorant and vulgar, but could happily co-exist until the American arrived.

Ultimately the film has a problem because it is so bleak and relentlessly undermines the viewers perception to the point that you feel battered rather than enlightened. Still, as far as notorious examples of such films go, I find it far superior to A Clockwork Orange. It is an incredible film that I recommend... carefully. I keep returning to it and apart from the before-mentioned technical brilliance, I'm not sure what keeps drawing me back.

"I didn't want you to enjoy the film. I wanted you to look very close at your own soul."
Sam Peckinpah

Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Achim on October 29, 2009, 05:16:25 AM
I find Peckinpah to be a rather fasciniating director, both in his body of work as well as the person shown in the documentaries on the DVDs.

I must have gotten one of the last few disc of Straw Dogs before it went OOP. I'll admit I may have concentrated too much on Dustin Hoffmann as the good guy that I overlooked some of the things pointed in the review; like him being the actual villain. Wasn't the guy he protected played by David Warner?


I very much agree that Peckinpah didn't bring us the gore, he brought us realism in violence. Peole don't just get shot and fall over, they squirm in pain and bleed, sometimes a lot.
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: snowcat on October 29, 2009, 11:24:00 AM
I love Straw Dogs!

Dustin Hoffman is a great actor, and I think his performance was great here!
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on October 29, 2009, 09:48:22 PM
I must have gotten one of the last few disc of Straw Dogs before it went OOP. I'll admit I may have concentrated too much on Dustin Hoffmann as the good guy that I overlooked some of the things pointed in the review; like him being the actual villain. Wasn't the guy he protected played by David Warner?

It's a great disc and one of my favourite covers. Yes, it was David Warner. Excellent actor, though probably will always be best known for the fantastic Omen moment... :laugh:
Title: Don't Look Now *****
Post by: Najemikon on November 01, 2009, 12:22:30 PM
Don’t Look Now
5 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/dln.jpg)

Following the death of their daughter, John and Laura Baxter (Sutherland and Christie) move to Venice in an attempt to forget what has happened. However, they soon meet a pair of elderly sisters, one of whom claim to be psychic and insists that she can see the spirit of their daughter.

Don’t Look Now is a fascinating film, typical of the 70s, with ambition, confidence and skill in equal measure. It would be impossible to make it today and make it so effective. Nicholas Roeg is a director who has strangely fallen into obscurity, but this at least will be a timeless and enduring film.

Donald Sutherland and Julie Christie are the heart of what is an essentially a very emotional story, and they are superb. The much talked about sex scene is possibly more effective than any other because we’ve been allowed to understand them so much more than an average screen couple. Roeg also cleverly intercuts with them simply preparing for an evening meal, so despite how explicit it is, it also feels natural.

It also comes deep into the story, long after the most devastating opening of any film; the death of their daughter, Christine. Sutherland is especially heartbreaking, especially when it’s already been made clear that he had an idea something was wrong moments before it happened. Later, a psychic will tell Laura (Julie Christie) that her husband has “the gift”.

If it feels like I’m reviewing this film backwards, then that’s only fitting! It is a triumph of editing that creates a strange atmosphere. It uses metaphors rather than strict time to progress. It is neither inaccessible, nor a gimmick as there is definitely a beginning, a middle and then an end in the correct order, but a strict sense of time is very hard to pin down. This makes Venice all the more enigmatic, because it is almost like they are trapped in some sort of hell (John at least, with his sense of Déjà Vu, haunting visions and relations with religious iconography), especially as the city has probably never been photographed quite like this, a decaying, grimy and dangerous place.

While the heart of the film is a powerful and realistic study of grief, there is a serial killer on the loose too and here the film has more of a horror bent. There still isn’t explicit gore or murders, but you can guarantee being seriously creeped out by the little red mac that is occasionally glimpsed. The psychic is convinced that John and Laura’s daughter is trying to warn them to leave, but is this who John keeps seeing? Unfortunately while Laura believes, John is the one getting the visions and he is confused by them, adding to his, and ours, torment.

Even if you already know the ending (and it has been parodied many times), I think it will still be a haunting shock, just by the way it is done. It is a film that you may find hard to watch, but impossible to stop. Multiple viewings are recommended to unlock it’s intricacies and that shock ending will never dull.

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Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on November 01, 2009, 12:24:06 PM
Like Marie, I've a little catching up to do before I put this marathon to bed. Disappointed I didn't find much to complain about! I've almost ran out of stars as I keep spending five at a time...  ::)
Title: Hellboy ****
Post by: Najemikon on November 01, 2009, 12:52:55 PM
Hellboy
4 out of 5


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When a Nazi mystical experiment goes awry in 1944, the target of a wizard's spell, the child of Satan, Hellboy, is wrenched from his home, and adopted by the U.S. agents who intercept his arrival.

Hellboy is a wonderfully inventive and entertaining film, though it’s a hard sell and many novice viewers will be left scratching their heads. You have to “get” this film to have any chance of liking it! For me, I was familiar with the marvellous comics by Mike Mignola and he was heavily involved in the films development, so it’s all good.

It’s madder than a box of frogs and Guillermo Del Toro is the perfect director for something akin to Men In Black on drugs. It’s visually dazzling, but exciting too, as he is an accomplished action director. It’s more fantasy than anything else, but its tale of prophecies and demons makes it a bona fide horror too and Del Toro has a better understanding of classic horror than any other director working at the moment (one of his many upcoming films is a remake of Frankenstein).

The story is typical comic book stuff. The Nazi’s are messing with the occult and summon a demon. Unfortunately for them, said demon is a just a kid and is raised by the Government (specifically John Hurt’s kindly professor) as a member of a special task force to deal with paranormal. The problem is, Hellboy is part of a prophecy and his effective stone right hand is actually a key that could end the world!

Phew. What makes the film and comic so entertaining are the incredible characters, who are very human despite their appearance. The bruising unstoppable hulk that is Hellboy (Ron Perlman, having the time of his life), is actually a petulant, overgrown lovesick teenager, always in trouble with his “Dad” and pining after Selma Blair’s fiery (literally) Liz. It’s very much a sitcom at heart and it works very well indeed. So long as you are already on its wavelength! So the moment a corpse is resurrected to get directions and ends up in a hilarious argument with our hero will either be the moment you become a fully paid-up member of the Hellboy fan-club or you scream in frustration!

The villains are just as fantastic as the heroes, especially the clockwork assassin, and the ending is suitably serious, so far as something like this can be. The film is let down by concessions to making it marketable, such as the very human new-comer to the team (although the long-suffering boss is great). It’s a lazy plot device that hampers the film, but overall, it’s big and funny, just like its lead character.
Title: Hellboy II: The Golden Army ***
Post by: Najemikon on November 01, 2009, 02:04:55 PM
Hellboy II: The Golden Army
3 out of 5


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From the visionary director of Pan's Labyrinth, Hellboy II: The Golden Army takes you into fantastical worlds with imaginative creatures and thrilling fight sequences unlike anything you've ever seen before!

That overview is taken from the cover and unfortunately reveals more of the film than it may appear. Hellboy II is rather lazy overall and if not a cash-in, lacks the drive of the first film. I've always enjoyed Del Toro's "one for me, one for you" approach, but I'm not sure who this one was for exactly.

I likened Hellboy to a sitcom in certain moments and that was a good thing, humanizing the fantastic characters. Here it is even more like a sitcom and not in a good way. It's the One where Hellboy gets drunk! It's the One where he argues with Liz! It is funny and entertaining, but there's none of the weight the first one had. Still, this is the role Ron Perlman surely looks forward to the most because he is brilliant. Doug Jones takes full control of Abe (amongst others!) this time around for an expanded role and the relationship with Hellboy is great.

Maybe it would have still worked had the overall plot not have been so massive. For those of you who need more than the cover offers, it concerns a prince of the Underworld (Luke Goss) declaring war on our world and it's up to the paranormal team to stop it. As I said, big stuff, but crucially, it doesn't centre on Big Red like the first one did. In fact, there's an obvious plot-line where he is poisoned and this seems like a shoe-horned in attempt at bringing him in direct line of the main story.

If the set-piece nature of the story is less subtle this time around with half-arsed links between the fights, then at least those set-pieces are marvellous fun, especially the market place and the swarm. Plus the banter, sitcom or not, is very assured and funny. Johann is particularly brilliant and the all-too human agent from the first movie is missing, so we're fully immersed in fantasy land and it works better for it. Plus that makes Jeffrey Tambor's long-suffering boss even funnier. Luke Goss might feel like the odd-one out, but he is excellent, building on his superb performance in Del Toro's Blade II and it's a log way since Bros!

Roger Corman famously hijacked sets that were due to be demolished to churn out very fast b-movies. I can't help feel Del Toro has done the digital equivalent and found a bunch of models he forgot to use in Pan's Labyrinth and has cobbled together a sequel. Still, I can't quite be that cynical as there is too much evidence that he still has a great deal of love for the character and that does come through the screen, making for a wonderful piece of escapism at least. It's still much better than most of his peers. Perhaps it's fairer to say that after Pan's, he got a bit carried away and over-confident and forgot to make sure the central plot was rock solid.
Title: Pitch Black ***
Post by: Najemikon on November 01, 2009, 02:21:50 PM
Pitch Black
3 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/pitch.jpg)

A group of marooned space travelers struggle for survival on a seemingly lifeless sun-scorched world

You can't have a horror marathon without an Alien rip-off! On release this gained a lot of respect and Diesel's Riddick has continued into other admirably different directions. But this is a standard haunted house in space set-up and little more.

So we have the starship that runs into trouble while its passengers are in hypersleep and is forced to crash land on a deserted planet, lit by three suns. The only time there is darkness is every 22 years, when there is an eclipse. Guess what their just in time for? The darkness brings forth the planets other inhabitants- viscous flying aliens.

The first problem with this film is the people. The one surviving crewmember and the eight or so passengers are all walking cardboard cutout clichés. We even have the cowardly English professor! Most have something to hide, which makes them instantly unlikeable to each other and to us. The few that don't have anything to hide, also have nothing to do, except get in the way, act as bait, etc. They also have the frustrating habit of being incredibly stupid.

The one redeeming feature, character wise, is Riddick. An escaped convict who has been recaptured by Johns, a cop. Vin Diesel plays Riddick brilliantly. A nasty piece of work, capable of great terror, yet does the worst thing possible- treats everyone with indifference and this makes him the strongest. They have to decide to trust him, putting him in a very powerful position. While the others struggle to be anything at all interesting, Diesel steals every scene he's in.

When darkness falls, the aliens come out from hiding and start picking off the humans. They are held at bay with various forms of light, which makes for some great effects. We see the creatures more clearly from Riddicks eyes, because he can see in the dark. The low budget is used well, with the scariest elements being the ones we can’t see. Shadows tease and the noise of these scavengers grates on the nerves.

Though never truly scary, the suspense is strong and it’s a fast pace, but in the end, the film ultimately fails. The aliens aren’t quite the relentless force they are made out to be (they have to give the stupids a bit of a chance, I suppose!) and a poorly judged ending ruins the last chance for a bit of originality. It’s all down to a lack of substance, which guarantees that it will run out of steam.
Title: Hollow Man ***
Post by: Najemikon on November 01, 2009, 03:44:09 PM
Hollow Man
3 out of 5


(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/hollow.jpg)

When power-hungry scientist Dr Sebastian Caine (Kevin Bacon) and his team develop a serum that induces complete invisibility, they can't wait to put it to the test. Having successfully performed the procedure on animals, Caine is determined to attempt the ultimate challenge...human experimentation. Using himself as the first subject, the invisible Caine finds himself free to do the unthinkable. But Caine´s experiment takes an unexpected turn when his team fail to return him to normal. Growing more and more out of control, Caine is doomed to a future without flesh as the Hollow Man.

This makes for an interesting companion to The Fly, another modern take on the mad scientist tale, both by controversial directors (who could be confused with mad scientists themselves) and both explore the mind as much as the body. Paul Verhoeven though isn't as assured as David Cronenberg, but his slightly perverted nature that often threatens to overwhelm his work (Showgirls!) helps this one.

The Invisible Man was always supposed to be a nutter and the director perhaps has found a kindred spirit in the character! So it is Kevin Bacon has a lot of fun exploring the nitty gritty of his dark side for once. Far better than the bloodless version in The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. An odd comparison that may be, but Alan Moore's book built on the original H.G. Wells version to create a homicidal maniac that was neutered for the film. No such worries here.

The story, you already know and if you don't you'll catch on quick because it's the story of every experiment-gone-wrong b-movie since the 50s. It feels a little cheap, but by the second half the plot is concentrating on a typical serial killer routine in a locked down location. It's a lot of fun with plenty of violence in a claustrophobic atmosphere, but it also doesn't stretch the effects as much as if Bacon was allowed to rampage outdoors.

He does do a bit though, in between perfecting the experiment and going completely nuts, and this is the most interesting part of the film, especially the attack on Elizabeth Shue. It's a bit more invasive than your average serial killer flick.

The effects hold up very well and are equal to the plot. Kevin Bacon is very good as Sebastian Caine, developing from big-head, to prankster, to full on psychopath. He is fantastic in the part, considering we can't see him for most of it- unless you count the flashes in smoke, water and blood, even! The rest of the cast, including Elizabeth Shue, are also very good as they realise they're losing control of a potentially dangerous situation. They're not disappointed as soon as old Kev finds his wrench and starts flinging it about all over the place. Of course, they’re predictably stupid at this point and we have to surrender and admit it's turned into the usual hack and slash Alien wannabe, but that's not to say it still isn't wonderfully entertaining. There’s a sense of perverse enjoyment when a film like this becomes predictable.
 
Paul Verhoeven has a habit for going over the top, ruining some of his past films, but he keeps the reins on this time. There are some very nasty scenes, but they have a sense of realism. You can't dismiss it as easily as the cartoon style of Starship Troopers and so it makes his lead all the more sinister. His direction is very well paced, going from biology lesson, suspense, horror and then solid action very confidently. While the second half is especially derivative, the scenes in the tunnels make for great suspense, with no idea where the villain is. The finale in the lift shaft is obvious and betrays that for the most part, it's entertaining popcorn blockbuster material. But it does have a brain. Course, you can’t see it, but it is there!
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on November 01, 2009, 03:46:59 PM
Right, that's me done! Horror Marathon 2009 is over. Didn't do as many as before, but I like to pretend I have a life outside of watching movies.  :tease:

Yeah, right.  :bag:
Title: Re: Don't Look Now *****
Post by: goodguy on November 02, 2009, 09:39:10 AM
Don’t Look Now is a fascinating film, typical of the 70s, with ambition, confidence and skill in equal measure. It would be impossible to make it today and make it so effective. Nicholas Roeg is a director who has strangely fallen into obscurity, but this at least will be a timeless and enduring film.

Interesting tidbit from the Wicker Man documentaries: Apparently this was initially shown in the UK as the A feature of a double bill together with The Wicker Man. I haven't seen it in a long time, but I do remember liking it very well. I'm not sure your general praise of those 70s movies is warranted though. They aren't "impossible to make today". They certainly weren't the mainstream movies of their time, yet you seem to somewhat ignore anything with arthouse affiliation that is made today.
Title: Re: Don't Look Now *****
Post by: Najemikon on November 02, 2009, 03:34:01 PM
Don’t Look Now is a fascinating film, typical of the 70s, with ambition, confidence and skill in equal measure. It would be impossible to make it today and make it so effective. Nicholas Roeg is a director who has strangely fallen into obscurity, but this at least will be a timeless and enduring film.

Interesting tidbit from the Wicker Man documentaries: Apparently this was initially shown in the UK as the A feature of a double bill together with The Wicker Man. I haven't seen it in a long time, but I do remember liking it very well. I'm not sure your general praise of those 70s movies is warranted though. They aren't "impossible to make today". They certainly weren't the mainstream movies of their time, yet you seem to somewhat ignore anything with arthouse affiliation that is made today.

Yes, I meant to mention that. Someone like yourself didn't understand The Wicker Man and made it run as a b-movie...  :tease:

But hey, what a double-bill. And that's what I mean about the 70s. Those two films got a cinema run together, in the UK at least. Remember I'm talking purely from a local perspective. We spoke about Bug the other day, but I never had the opportunity to see it. Straw Dogs was released theatrically before it was banned. Same with Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Exorcist, etc. That's all I mean. Now we get Hostel and Saw, which miss the point.

Continue with Friedkin. Where there was once The French Connection, there is now Bad Boys. A fairer a much better comparison would be Narc, but blink and you missed it theatrically.

We live in a demanding time; what audience asks for they get. Pre-Jaws, you got what you were given. A better time for cinema as an art overall.
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Jimmy on November 02, 2009, 03:57:00 PM
We live in a demanding time; what audience asks for they get. Pre-Jaws, you got what you were given. A better time for cinema as an art overall.
For one I won't blame Jaws or Star Wars, but the death of 3 important factors that many tend to forget.

The drive-in cinemas doesn't exist anymore. So no more independant movies get a wide theatrical released, just imagine by exemple that all the Corman's movies were drive-in folder, so no drive-in no Corman...

The independant theater doesn't exist anymore. A theater owner doesn't decide what he will show anymore, the studio (Fox, MGM,...) decide what will be at the theatre and what we will see.

The Disneylisation of the New-York 42th street who had made it impossible for all the weird European, Asian or, even, Canadian movies to get a release in the United States.

BTW the audience doesn't get what it want but what the studios want them to want...       
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Achim on November 02, 2009, 06:12:46 PM
BTW the audience doesn't get what it want but what the studios want them to want...       
Or what the studios think they want.

I heard somebody say the other day, that he knew quite a few people who saw Transformers 2 but everybody hated it. Yet, the film makes boat loads of money. Who is the studio to believe? Some "word of mouth" they probably don't even hear or the hard cash they have in they register...?
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on November 02, 2009, 07:31:39 PM
BTW the audience doesn't get what it want but what the studios want them to want...       
Or what the studios think they want.

I heard somebody say the other day, that he knew quite a few people who saw Transformers 2 but everybody hated it. Yet, the film makes boat loads of money. Who is the studio to believe? Some "word of mouth" they probably don't even hear or the hard cash they have in they register...?

It's sad. I've always been against the idea of test screenings where essentially a director is willing to alter his work because a random bunch of strangers didn't get it, but now I'm especially concerned about the current trend of listening to the Internet! Spider-Man 3, X-Men 3 and Wolverine were all compromised by fan-boys arguing for characters to be included, ultimately at the detriment of the film.

I only just noticed this comment now I've re-read the posts...

...yet you seem to somewhat ignore anything with arthouse affiliation that is made today.

I don't ignore anything when it comes to film (unless it's a musical!) and some of it depends on your definition of "arthouse". I never watch anything for the sake of it and it has to interest me. I tend to stick to genre films and while that doesn't limit the term, it certainly isn't the obvious direction for a lot these days. I like to keep up with Shane Meadows work... would he count?
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Antares on March 05, 2010, 12:06:11 AM
Sorry for being a thread necromancer again, but I was reading one of Jon's reviews that he wrote before I joined the site, and the banter that followed piqued my interest...

For one I won't blame Jaws or Star Wars, but the death of 3 important factors that many tend to forget.

The drive-in cinemas doesn't exist anymore. So no more independant movies get a wide theatrical released, just imagine by exemple that all the Corman's movies were drive-in folder, so no drive-in no Corman...

The independant theater doesn't exist anymore. A theater owner doesn't decide what he will show anymore, the studio (Fox, MGM,...) decide what will be at the theatre and what we will see.

The Disneylisation of the New-York 42th street who had made it impossible for all the weird European, Asian or, even, Canadian movies to get a release in the United States.

BTW the audience doesn't get what it want but what the studios want them to want...       

Jimmy's right, it was the death of the drive-ins and the independent theaters that killed the movie-making process. But the best way to describe it, and it's fitting for a horror genre thread, is that the three reasons Jimmy mentioned were the nails in the coffin, Jaws & Star Wars was the dirt poured on top.

It's sad. I've always been against the idea of test screenings where essentially a director is willing to alter his work because a random bunch of strangers didn't get it,

It is sad, but at one time in Hollywood history, it did make sense. With studios churning out a new film each week, it behooved them to do a little quality control and test market their product.

Just think, without test screening, we would have been stuck with that god-awful opening to Sunset Blvd. with the talking cadavers.  :voodoo:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: goodguy on March 05, 2010, 12:17:53 AM
... Jaws & Star Wars was the dirt poured on top.

Heh. I like that description. :thumbup:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on March 05, 2010, 12:44:01 AM
 :laugh:

Yes, very good! Although as I've said many times, I think Jaws and Star Wars got it just right and it's all the pretenders that have turned it too much into a business.

It is sad, but at one time in Hollywood history, it did make sense. With studios churning out a new film each week, it behooved them to do a little quality control and test market their product.

Just think, without test screening, we would have been stuck with that god-awful opening to Sunset Blvd. with the talking cadavers.  :voodoo:

True, but that was the days of the producer. As the director came to the fore they should always live and die by the sword.

And thank you for waking up the thread again. I know the warning is a bit strong about opening old threads, but on here it really doesn't apply. It's nice to see the old debates getting another airing!
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Antares on March 05, 2010, 12:48:51 AM
:laugh:

Yes, very good! Although as I've said many times, I think Jaws and Star Wars got it just right and it's all the pretenders that have turned it too much into a business.

I can only imagine the debate you and I could have over Star Wars.  :hysterical:
I was the only person in my high school that didn't like it.  :tease:


True, but that was the days of the producer. As the director came to the fore they should always live and die by the sword.

You're right, I stand corrected.  :weep:  :laugh:

And thank you for waking up the thread again. I know the warning is a bit strong about opening old threads, but on here it really doesn't apply. It's nice to see the old debates getting another airing!

Good, now I don't feel so bad. I used to catch a lot of shit for doing it at DVDSpot.  :devil:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on March 05, 2010, 12:53:31 AM
Star Wars? You don't like Star Wa... no. No, not doing it. Battle royale and then some! :voodoo: :-X :laugh:

Things is we do put a lot of work into our threads and our hosts are always laid back about such things. Not like there's a conflict of interest. :thumbup:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Antares on March 05, 2010, 01:01:41 AM
Star Wars? You don't like Star Wa... no. No, not doing it. Battle royale and then some! :voodoo: :-X :laugh:

Couldn't understand what all the fuss was about.  :shrug:

For now, we'll just let it rest on the back burner...   :hmmmm:  :laugh:

But we will definitely will meet on the field of battle in the future. :training:  :tease:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on March 05, 2010, 01:06:50 AM
 :cards:

Jedi was one of the first memorable cinema trips for me. There is one specific, tiny moment that possibly lit the fuse that has resulted in me spending most of my time talking about how great films are.

The bloody thing.

 :laugh:

Anyway, just so you know that should you take this on, you'll be facing all three decades of Jon!  :dance:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Antares on March 05, 2010, 01:11:53 AM
There is one specific, tiny moment that possibly lit the fuse that has resulted in me spending most of my time talking about how great films are.

What, you lost your virginity with an Ewok?


Sorry, couldn't pass it up.  :tease: :hysterical:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on March 05, 2010, 02:47:36 PM
 :redcard:

The eight year old me is shocked!

Then again it isn't so far from the truth... Ewok is a fair description! :laugh:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Critter on March 05, 2010, 03:11:40 PM
If this Star Wars debate will be anything like the recent Inglourious Baterds one then I am highly anticipating it. Reading you two argue (debate) about such topics is becomming one of my favourite parts of this forum. It's so interesting to read.
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: RossRoy on March 05, 2010, 03:30:14 PM
If this Star Wars debate will be anything like the recent Inglourious Baterds one then I am highly anticipating it. Reading you two argue (debate) about such topics is becomming one of my favourite parts of this forum. It's so interesting to read.

 :goodpost:

I fully agree!
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Achim on March 05, 2010, 03:40:00 PM
If this Star Wars debate will be anything like the recent Inglourious Baterds one then I am highly anticipating it. Reading you two argue (debate) about such topics is becomming one of my favourite parts of this forum. It's so interesting to read.

 :goodpost:

I fully agree!
:thumbup:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Critter on March 05, 2010, 03:48:54 PM
Haha, I think us three should get seats up the front and bring out the popcorn  :P
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on March 05, 2010, 08:49:30 PM
 :whistle:

I'm sorry. Jon isn't here right now. Please leave a message after the beep and he will return your call as soon as he is able.


beeeeeep...






 :devil:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: snowcat on March 06, 2010, 09:36:22 AM
 :o

....ANTARES! YOU DON'T LIKE STAR WARS???

0_0

....I spent 3 years of my life Role Playing Star Wars every Wednesday.... It was one of the best experiences ive ever had! Im a member of the fanclub!

I even have air fix starwars ships hanging from my bedroom ceiling, Yep... I don't have guys over.  :-[

....*stops being a massive geek*

...but overall, I guess it did have alot of hype surrounding it... but I still love it :) .... *cough* Jedi is best *cough*

*hides in corner*
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Antares on March 06, 2010, 04:53:15 PM
Back in 1977 I was a junior in high school, and all my friends were buzzing over this new film that I had to see. Being a HUGE science fiction fan at the time, I was eager to see it.

When it was over, I was amazed at the special effects, but very ho hum about the story. It was so predictable and at times, a little ridiculous from a scientific standpoint.

There is nothing worse for a science fiction fan, than a story that has scientific inaccuracies in it. In fact, I like my science fiction to be more along the lines of 2001: A Space Odyssey or The Andromeda Strain. Star Wars and its sequels were basically B movie medieval melodrama, set in space with great special effects.

I actually thought the next film in the series was the best of the three. But when Lucas went for the marketing aspect in Jedi, it made me loathe the entire production. Especially a main character who's basically a space muppet.  :yucky:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Tom on March 06, 2010, 05:20:21 PM
Star Wars isn't a sci-fi movie, but a fantasy fairy tale ;)
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on March 06, 2010, 05:30:51 PM
Star Wars isn't a sci-fi movie, but a fantasy fairy tale ;)

 :clap:

Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Antares on March 06, 2010, 05:30:55 PM
It takes place in space, has futuristic weapons and they travel at the speed of light. That's science fiction to me.  :hmmmm:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on March 06, 2010, 05:39:21 PM
It takes place in space, has futuristic weapons and they travel at the speed of light. That's science fiction to me.  :hmmmm:


It's a sci-fi setting, but not sci-fi genre which would normally subvert a fantastic setting to comment on our own society and lives, through possible futures and alternate realities. 2001, Bladerunner, The Matrix, all have something to say. And of course original sci-fi is very political and paranoid. But as Alien is actually a Horror, Star Wars is Fantasy. There isn't an obvious subtext and the world isn't backed up with any science-fact, as Star Trek sometimes is.

If we want to get picky, it's actually a Western as well... :tomato:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Antares on March 06, 2010, 05:43:09 PM
I'll amend my assessment, it's just BAD science fiction. :tomato:  :devil:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on March 06, 2010, 05:47:43 PM
I'll amend my assessment, it's just BAD science fiction. :tomato:  :devil:

I agree.  :P But it's one of the best, if not the best, Fantasy films ever made.  :tease:

It's a good job no-one takes it seriously! :hysterical:


Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Antares on March 06, 2010, 05:55:09 PM
Jon, have you ever seen this, it's hilarious...








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Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on March 06, 2010, 06:08:29 PM
Oh, that is fantastic!  :clap:
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: snowcat on March 08, 2010, 12:14:23 PM
Star Wars and its sequels were basically B movie medieval melodrama, set in space with great special effects.

...Thats what I like about it  ::)
Title: Re: Jon's Marathon of Horror! 2009
Post by: Najemikon on March 09, 2010, 12:09:56 AM
By the way, have you two read this thread? Original Trilogy versus Prequels (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,342.0.html)

I started it as a summary in response to another conversation buried somewhere else now...