Post by: Najemikon on June 27, 2010, 09:08:28 PM
4 out of 5
(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/karatekidposter.jpg)
You can’t judge a film by its title. And you mustn’t in the case of The Karate Kid, should you become confused and cynical! After all, it’s set in China and features Jackie Chan, so Karate is never even mentioned. It’s just a slightly offensive marketing ploy to live off the back of the 1984 hit, which makes you question the motives of making it at all and dismiss it out of hand. They really should have proudly named it “The King-Fu Kid”, because despite being a near step-for-step remake, it’s actually very good and deserves a chance to stand on its own.
It’s a story about Dre Parker (Jaden Smith) who moves with his mother (Taraji P. Henson) from Detroit to Bejing. Struggling to fit in, he tries and fails to stand up to a crowd of bullies led by Zhenwei Wang. He becomes afraid of even going to school until meeting Mr. Han (Jackie Chan), the quiet maintenance man who knows Kung-Fu and who reluctantly agrees to teach Dre. A local, ruthless Kung-Fu teacher has agreed his students will leave Dre alone, so long as he fights in an upcoming tournament.
Jaden Smith does really well in the title role and has clearly put a lot of work in that demands respect. As well as the physical aspects, he also has his father Will’s cheeky humour and timing. Importantly, all the young characters act very well with the adults. Often this kind of film underwrites the grown-ups and the relationship between Dre and Mr. Han especially is very real.
As Mr. Han, Jackie Chan is just magic in what might be his best English speaking role. Through no fault of his own, he doesn’t have Pat Morita’s natural unassuming calm (well, he is Jackie Chan!) that made Mr. Miyagi so iconic, but he is just as poignant and brings a beautifully judged humour to the character. The moment he rescues Dre by disabling six bullies without throwing a punch is wonderful. It’s brilliantly choreographed; thrilling and very funny in that Chaplin-esque way Chan is so good at. From that point on, he keeps the film alive and proves why he’s one of the biggest movie stars around. As with the 1984 film, the last half is predictable, but that’s the curse of sports based tournament movies and you’ll nevertheless be on the edge of your seat!
The film doesn’t flow as nicely as the first version, and that could be an effect of over-familiarity, but this version does lack some potential by using a much younger cast, despite their considerable ability. While Zhenwei Wang brings a convincingly vicious ferocity to the role of the main bully, Wen Wen Han as Mei Ying (the girl Dre has a crush on) is awkward and the story loses momentum in those sequences. They are just too young to convince for a romantic angle. The original plot worked as a coming of age story that teenagers could identify with, so the test will be if the young audience take to Jaden as their Karate Kid as much as my generation took to Ralph Macchio.
So you might be cynical about why it was made and how it was marketed, but give it a chance, because it’s honest and likeable. The Karate Kid has had a very good reception in the States and has confused people by beating The A-Team, but it’s easy to see why. This is a children’s film that respects its audience, including the adults, and outside of Pixar animation, that is rare and very reassuring.
The Karate Kid is a great family film, with a solid message and deserves to become as loved and as inspirational as its reassuringly cheesy predecessor. If only it hadn’t have been let down by the silly title.
Post by: Jimmy on June 27, 2010, 09:15:51 PM
Just the trailer was enough for me to know it's a pieces of shit. It's just an untalented kid full of himself who used his father's money to be in a film... Sorry not even a four stars review from you will make me see this...
Like I've read not too long ago this isn't the movies that need to be remade but the audience of today :whistle:
Post by: Najemikon on June 27, 2010, 09:18:29 PM
I went in quite cynical, especially considering the title, but Jaden is very good. Certainly comparable to Macchio. And Jackie Chan gets the character he deserves finally in American cinema.
Not all remakes are bad and cinema is bereft of entertainment like this.
Post by: Jimmy on June 27, 2010, 09:47:49 PM
I just find it's a good presentation of how the audience now just eat every shit that is forced feed to them. It's absolutly ridiculous that a movie like this is 2 weeks at the top of the box-office.
Sorry the film is about a teenager not about a little kid. BTW the great performance in the original is from Pat Morita not Ralph Maccio (who is way more talented than the kid of a multi-millionaires anyway).
Post by: goodguy on June 27, 2010, 09:55:20 PM
Sorry not even a four stars review from you will make me see this...
Beware of Jon's infamous 4-star reviews... :hysterical:
Post by: Antares on June 27, 2010, 09:56:14 PM
Post by: Najemikon on June 27, 2010, 10:02:09 PM
Sorry not even a four stars review from you will make me see this...
Beware of Jon's infamous 4-star reviews... :hysterical:
Don't you start! :redcard: Just for the record, lets keep some perspective. Four stars doesn't make it almost-Godfather status! It's basic three star entertainment with a couple of moments that lift it up. Not least a truly beautiful cameo from Michelle Yeoh. Stunning moment.
Jimmy, I know you were talking about the film, and you certainly have a point about its conception which I share, but the result is almost beyond reproach. But whatever, Jackie Chan is a legend! It's down to him as much as anyone why this is still number one in the States. What's the alternative? A remake of an 80s TV show? Some half-arsed comedy? Have they got Jackie Chan in? No.
By the way, have you actually watched Jaden Smith in anything? You're very quick to dismiss him. However he got in front of the camera, he works his arse off.
Post by: Antares on June 27, 2010, 10:04:32 PM
Four stars doesn't make it almost-Godfather status! It's basic three star entertainment with a couple of moments that lift it up.
So wouldn't that make it 3 1/2 stars? :hmmmm:
Post by: snowcat on June 27, 2010, 10:10:09 PM
Jimmy, do you have bad experiences with remakes? Ive seen a few I have enjoyed... not necessarily better then the original but it doesn't mean they are bad.
Also, Jimmy what do you mean by a "Movie like this" ... do you mean because its a remake? or because of its genre? :stars:
Post by: Jimmy on June 27, 2010, 10:10:48 PM
By the way, have you actually watched Jaden Smith in anything? You're very quick to dismiss him. However he got in front of the camera, he works his arse off.No since the only thing he was in is The Poursuit of Hapiness (or something like that) and it isn't my genre of cinema. But I've seen enough extract from this movie and enough interview of him in TV shows to see he doesn't have talent, he is full of himself and works in the industry only because of his father money and name.
Post by: snowcat on June 27, 2010, 10:11:28 PM
Post by: Jimmy on June 27, 2010, 10:25:37 PM
Jimmy, do you have bad experiences with remakes? Ive seen a few I have enjoyed... not necessarily better then the original but it doesn't mean they are bad.I've seen some who are good also and I don't dismiss them just because of that. The Thing, Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1976) or Aurore are good ones, but most of them are uninspired, just make because of the name and had no reasons to exist. For me it's the symptom of everything who is wrong in the american mainstream industry in the last 15 years. There is no talent anymore in front and behind the camera, nobody can't write an original script and nobody can't make a movie without CGI effects (do you realize how the car stunt look ridiculous in the trailer from the last Tom Cruise movie?)
Also, Jimmy what do you mean by a "Movie like this" ... do you mean because its a remake? or because of its genre? :stars:The two reasons : it's a kid movie and the fact it's an unecessary remake.
Even if I haven't seen it and probably won't (because of the trailer full of CGI) the A-Team would make more sense if it was at the top of the box office.
Post by: Najemikon on June 27, 2010, 10:35:20 PM
Four stars doesn't make it almost-Godfather status! It's basic three star entertainment with a couple of moments that lift it up.
So wouldn't that make it 3 1/2 stars? :hmmmm:
I don't do things by half! :P But yes, if I did, 3.5 would be about right. Just like Eagle Eye, Matthias! :laugh:
I quite liked Jaden in the Pursuit of Happiness, I think regardless of how well he acts alot of people will see him the way Jimmy does, and I guess hes right, I doubt he would have made it big without his dad, but that doesn't stop him from being talented.
Exactly.
I'm sure he might be a bit of a brat in interviews and we can question the legitimacy of Will Smith producing a starring role for his Mini-Me all night, but the fact remains, it does work. To be fair, of the current line-up of mega-stars, Will Smith tends to be the most liked and grounded, so in retrospect, I can see why this would work and why he would get Chan's involvement. He understands what it needed to be different so it wasn't just a money spinning retread. Jimmy, your argument is so frustrating because you haven't seen it! You have to judge remakes on a case-by-case basis. This is a great story and it deserves to be told.
The title is annoying and the cast are too young, but that makes it all the more fascinating why it actually worked. You forget, I sat and watched it, expecting to complain bitterly, yet, I enjoyed it. :shrug:
I'm pretty confident that Pete could take Britt to this and they'd both get a kick out of it. That's what matters.
Post by: Antares on June 27, 2010, 10:40:10 PM
So wouldn't that make it 3 1/2 stars? :hmmmm:
I don't do things by half! :P But yes, if I did, 3.5 would be about right. Just like Eagle Eye, Matthias! :laugh:
I've always wondered why you don't do it. I have to admit that I agree with Matthias, sometimes your ratings make my :o
;) :whistle:
Post by: Jimmy on June 27, 2010, 10:46:17 PM
Jimmy, your argument is so frustrating because you haven't seen it! You have to judge remakes on a case-by-case basis. This is a great story and it deserves to be told.Jon I won't spend a single penny on this, but if you really want me to watch this send me the DVD when it will be out in a month and I will do the effort of watching it :whistle:
Post by: Kathy on June 27, 2010, 10:48:08 PM
Post by: Tom on June 27, 2010, 10:49:42 PM
Post by: Najemikon on June 27, 2010, 10:59:18 PM
I suppose it comes down to how you rate and I always think: what did the director/writer/producer intend and did they achieve it? How talented are those involved and does it actually matter? How does it reflect on the genre, on cinema in general? But more important than any of that is, am I enjoying it for what it is?
I'm generally optimistic about films. I'm rarely insulted, but can be disappointed and the thing I mark down most for is where the key artist has compromised the original idea for whatever reason. Four stars usually needs something that wasn't necessary
If I really do make you go " :o ", comment and say so!
Breaking down The Karate Kid:
* - It's called Karate Kid and set in China. Duh. Stars a kid who's there because his dad greased palms. It's a remake of a film I was very fond of. Can't be any good.
** - The story still works, but the cast are too young. Still, everyone is playing up to their strengths. It's predictable, but hey ho. I'm not bored.
*** - Jackie Chan is awesome! Stupid romance plot, but the cast work really well together and the choreography is great. It's exciting stuff and it ticks all the boxes. Newbies will enjoy it without cynicism.
**** (or 3.5!) - There's stuff here that wasn't needed yet works so well. Brief cameo from Michelle Yeoh is breathtaking. Performance of Smith and Chan in the car scene proves the talent of both of them and together they gel so well. It's a film that could have been easier to make, but some considerable effort has been made. Intentions of everyone on screen are clearly honest. It's bringing Chan to a new audience and it's a story that still has value.
Post by: Dragonfire on June 27, 2010, 11:25:19 PM
Incidentally, I just saw this one too..almost posted about it here last night, but I decided I'd posted enough for the night with the other movies I posted about.
Post by: Antares on June 27, 2010, 11:39:46 PM
If I really do make you go " :o ", comment and say so!
How about for every star you give, I put a corresponding :o
;) :laugh:
Post by: snowcat on June 27, 2010, 11:45:50 PM
Post by: Antares on June 27, 2010, 11:47:30 PM
I really dislike rating films :s I like to think someone can't tell whether I like or dislike a film by my review :p (I apologise for any misspent words I'm using an iPod)
I'd like to buy a vowel Pat ;) :laugh:
Post by: Najemikon on June 27, 2010, 11:56:58 PM
I really dislike rating films :s I like to think someone can't tell whether I like or dislike a film by my review :p (I apologise for any misspent words I'm using an iPod)
I'd like to buy a vowel Pat ;) :laugh:
And I'm on my phone, so let's havea spell off! ;)
But you're right Emma. A well written review should express what the film is like without a rating. The Empire forums really wind me up because the comments are so ignorant and threaten physical violence because of a rating.
Post by: Critter on June 28, 2010, 01:49:16 AM
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Post by: Achim on June 28, 2010, 03:01:23 AM
After reading the review I'm almost surprised it came out with 3 1/2 stars. Pardon me if I go with spill.com on this one.
While it's certainly a problem to be a big star's kid, if you have talent you can overcome it and stand on your own eventually (as grown up, not the cute kid he is now); I'll cite Michael Douglas as example :P
Post by: Dragonfire on June 28, 2010, 07:44:15 AM
The Karate Kid
I have seen the original movie several times, though it has been years since the last time I saw it. I had the book version too that I read many times. Since it has been so long since the last time that I've seen the original, I don't remember everything.
From what I can remember, the basic plot of a single woman moving to a new city with her son is the same. The big difference is that Sherry and Dre are going to China, so they have a new language to learn and they don't know the culture. A lot of things are different for them in China, but unfortunately for Dre, there are bullies there too. Most of the movie is focused on Dre learning kung fu from Mr. Han, the maintenance man for the apartment building. The movie does end up being predictable, but I still think it is very entertaining. There is a lot that is like the original movie, but there are also differences as well.
At one point, Dre is shown attempting to learn some karate from a show on tv. That is all the karate that is in the movie. Mr. Han knows kung fu, as does Cheng, the vicious bully that targets Dre. It really would have made more sense for the movie to be called The Kung Fu Kid instead. People shouldn't dismiss the movie because of the screwy title though. I think the plot works well overall as an entertaining, and mostly fun movie. There are a few more serious moments every so often, but they don't get overly dramatic either. The pacing works for the most part, though it does slow up a bit during scenes between Dre and Meiying, a girl who is nice to Dre. There is an attempt to add a romance that feels more awkward than anything given how young the characters are.
There is a lot of fighting throughout the movie, which does add violence. The violence isn't that graphic or excessive, but it does get intense at times. A few scenes, usually involving Cheng or one of his flunky friends, are a bit difficult to watch. Cheng is ruthless and vicious in a way that is highly disturbing. It is even worse because of how young he is. Master Li has a twisted way of teaching kung fu that has really warped Cheng into a potential killer. This bully doesn't just push people around and take their lunch money. He can and will beat the shit out of them. The fighting scenes are very well done, though since I don't know anything about kung fu, I have no clue how accurate they are. Dre does develop into a good fighter, though it isn't made clear how long he is actually training. From what I remember, the tournament plays out the same as the original movie, though there is a different move used at a critical moment.
I haven't seen Jaden Smith in anything before this. I think he did a really good job with the part. He has gotten the opportunity because of who his dad is, but he isn't talentless. He displays a wide range of emotions throughout the movie..much more than I expected. There is more to his performance than what has been seen in the trailers and Dre is a bit more complicated than he seems at first. He acts like he has a bit of an attitude when they first get to China, but that is how a lot of kids act around others their age..trying to act tougher than they are...or just bragging and not being able to fully back it up. Dre does go through changes by the end of the movie.
Mr. Han doesn't say much at first and doesn't act that friendly, even once he decides to train Dre. Mr. Han has his own way of dealing with things and he looks at kung fu differently than Master Li. Mr. Han is definitely more complicated than he seems at first. He and Dre play off each other really well. If that relationship hadn't worked, the movie wouldn't have worked. Jackie Chan is wonderful in the part. I've enjoyed his other movies that I've seen, but I haven't seen him play a part like this before. I think this is the best I've ever seen him act. His fighting, which I've always thought was impressive, is still amazing. The scene when he deals with the bullies is amazing.
Cheng is a rather flat character, but he works well as the bully. He has trained with Master Li who teaches by drilling the idea of no mercy - ever - into his students. That makes for a twisted bully. Cheng is almost always surrounded by his group of friends who also train with Master Li. Meiying is nice enough, but she is also a flat character. Sherry is around in enough scenes to show concern for her son.
Overall, I really enjoyed this movie and think it is one of the few remakes that works. A lot of what happens is predictable, but there is enough new things added in here and there to help keep it interesting.
- and I didn't round up for 3 and half. I think it is 4 stars.I did post a review at Epinions a few days ago if anyone would like to look.
The Karate Kid (http://www.epinions.com/review/The_Karate_Kid_97727575/content_515991768708)
Post by: Jimmy on June 28, 2010, 08:59:06 AM
And no my idea haven't change... I won't watch this in my lifetime, for me some things are insulting and this film is one of them. Sorry if I sound stubborn or harsh, but it's a stupid movie idea for a younger audience who don't know better.
Post by: Critter on June 28, 2010, 09:11:29 AM
And no my idea haven't change... I won't watch this in my lifetime, for me some things are insulting and this film is one of them. Sorry if I sound stubborn or harsh, but it's a stupid movie idea for a younger audience who don't know better.
:hysterical:
It's kind of funny, but that little paragraph perfectly sums up my opinion of the Twilight franchise. The only difference being that I do watch them so that I have the right to rant about how horrible they are. After all, even though I know it is going to be terrible, I can never dismiss something without watching or reading it.
Post by: Jimmy on June 28, 2010, 09:33:57 AM
It's like when we see a dog's turd on the sidewalk, we don't need to eat it to know it taste like shit :dance:
Post by: kahless on June 28, 2010, 09:35:52 AM
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It's like when we see a dog's turd on the sidewalk, we don't need to eat it to know it taste like shit :dance:
:hysterical:
Post by: Critter on June 28, 2010, 09:50:16 AM
Post by: Dragonfire on June 28, 2010, 10:40:47 AM
Marie could you add the title in the upper part of your reviews? It's because if it appears on the front page the guests won't have any idea of what you are talking about.
And no my idea haven't change... I won't watch this in my lifetime, for me some things are insulting and this film is one of them. Sorry if I sound stubborn or harsh, but it's a stupid movie idea for a younger audience who don't know better.
I forgot about that before..sorry about that. All fixed now. :)
Post by: Najemikon on June 28, 2010, 11:16:14 AM
Post by: addicted2dvd on June 28, 2010, 02:54:07 PM
Post by: Jimmy on June 28, 2010, 07:01:15 PM
Well if film as a medium is comparable to dog shit then that makes a lot of sense.Some are, why do you think a bad film is named a pieces of crap or a turd?
Post by: Dragonfire on June 28, 2010, 09:18:40 PM
Thank you, Marie. Nice to see I came to the same conclusions as you. ;D
Welcome. :)
Also...most of the reviews on Epinions give it 4 stars too. So I don't think we are in the minority overall. Though it wouldn't be the first or last time if we were.
Post by: Najemikon on June 28, 2010, 09:37:15 PM
Post by: Dragonfire on June 28, 2010, 09:42:36 PM
I had my own doubts about it when I heard about it. But the trailer looked interesting enough that I wanted to see it and I'm glad I did. It is really entertaining. I'm still impressed by Jackie Chan's acting in this one. He showed so much more range than I've seen him do before..though I haven't seen all his movies, so maybe he has done that in some he made in China.
Post by: Najemikon on June 28, 2010, 09:52:22 PM
Post by: Dragonfire on June 28, 2010, 10:00:16 PM
I think he does have that range in a couple of his Chinese films, but it's unusual to see it sustained because they are almost always set-piece led fight movies, which you don't watch for drama and cover a multitude of acting sins. However, his silent comedy style and timing has always been of the highest caliber. Did you catch his grimace at the end of the scrap with the bullies? :laugh:
Yes I remember that. I thought he did a lot of subtle stuff in this one.
Post by: Critter on June 29, 2010, 12:19:10 AM
Well if film as a medium is comparable to dog shit then that makes a lot of sense.Some are, why do you think a bad film is named a pieces of crap or a turd?
I just don't think it's a valid reference when you are comparing it to film. I don't need to kill someone to know that I don't want to be a murderer, but that doesn't mean that I can judge films without viewing them.
Post by: Jimmy on June 29, 2010, 01:24:00 AM
People will so remember this awesome classic film in 20 years ::)
Not a single chance, but if it's happen it's really really sad to see what the "movie" audience had become...
Post by: Najemikon on June 29, 2010, 01:40:06 AM
It's one thing to say, "I saw the trailer, I know the story, I don't want to see it, because I will likely not like it."
It's fine to expand on that and assume that it's a remake made for the wrong reasons and is one more nail in the coffin of cinema as a vibrant, original medium. It isn't, but it's reasonable to think that.
But you can't leave it there. You then have to call into question the intelligence of the people who want to see it and worse, you ignore everything we've said. You're sticking your fingers in your ears and singing "la la la, you're all idiots, la la la"...
I for one have been following Jackie Chan films for years. Seeing him do so well in this is just magic and the film will be remembered for years because of him, just like his millions of worldwide fans know of everything else he's ever done. But of course, you'll ignore me saying that because it isn't consistent with your blinkered assessment. :shrug:
Post by: Jimmy on June 29, 2010, 01:55:31 AM
What can I say? It's a bad idea, it's a movie that will be forgot in less than a year, it's just an ego film who was done because Will Smith is powerfull in Hollywood (no idea why since he wasn't in a good film since Man in Black) and I find it insulting personally...
Yes the fact that this crap is on the top of the US box-office represent how the mainstream audience eat everything who is forced fed to them and with a smile to top that.
Jacky Chan is certainly a good actor in his Hong Kong stuff, but I can't name one of his US films that I've appreciated :shrug:
Post by: Critter on June 29, 2010, 03:18:16 AM
Post by: Najemikon on June 29, 2010, 03:18:49 AM
I didn't say that you, Marie or Sophie aren't intelligent :shrug:
What can I say? It's a bad idea, it's a movie that will be forgot in less than a year, it's just an ego film who was done because Will Smith is powerfull in Hollywood (no idea why since he wasn't in a good film since Man in Black) and I find it insulting personally...
Yes the fact that this crap is on the top of the US box-office represent how the mainstream audience eat everything who is forced fed to them and with a smile to top that.
:hysterical:
We're going around in circles! Marie and I are part of the audience that enjoyed it, therefore you include us as the "the mainstream audience eat everything who is forced fed to them and with a smile to top that".
And when you say "Jacky Chan is certainly a good actor in his Hong Kong stuff, but I can't name one of his US films that I've appreciated", that's our whole point. He's never had a role like this in the US.
To bring this back to a more positive note, this is just a light hearted family flick that doesn't really warrant such a debate! Just ask yourself this... a normal family with a couple of kids want to go to the movies. They don't have a vested interest in cinema and you'll never see them on a forum like this. Heck, they probably don't pick the film until they get there.
What's so wrong with them picking The Karate Kid and enjoying it? :2cents:
Post by: goodguy on June 29, 2010, 03:22:53 AM
Post by: Jimmy on June 29, 2010, 04:13:41 AM
Why do you get so riled up about this, Jimmy?Because I've appreciated the real one when I was young and I found the idea of this remake completly disgusting. Everything who made the original so great and powerfull doesn't make sense anymore. This was never a film about a 10 years old kid, but a film about a teenager who had to deal with bulliying in high school like many of us had to at this time and the film shown us that we can deal with those guys. Sorry but it it isn't kindergarden stuff and to make people believe that is an insult...
I don't even understand why nobody wants to understand why the single idea of this movie piss me off :shrug:
What's so wrong with them picking The Karate Kid and enjoying it? :2cents:
Not a single chance that my 7 years old nephews will see that with me, I prefer to watch the two Chipmunk movies one after another than see that. Anyway this isn't a movie that their mother will approve for them and rightfully so since it isn't a kid movie.
I'm sure there are millions of people in the world that will dismiss all of them as just digusting porn not worth bothering about. But that wouldn't worry you I suppose since that is how people are supposed to judge films. Never mind watching them...Why it would worry me? I don't care about what the others think of what I like, if they share my tastes good and if not it's good also. I've never expected that everybody on earth share my taste for the exploitation films (painted me only as a watcher of porn films is kind of cheap, since I watch much more than that and my tastes in film are quite diverse).
Post by: Critter on June 29, 2010, 04:20:34 AM
Oh well, I personally will never judge something without seeing it, sure, I will occaisionally say that something looks like crap based on a trailer but I will never completely dimiss it until after a viewing.
Post by: Antares on June 29, 2010, 04:54:02 AM
Post by: Jimmy on June 29, 2010, 05:16:08 AM
This is why next time I'll keep my opinions for myself, since it looks like we can have one here anymore...
Post by: Dragonfire on June 29, 2010, 05:23:46 AM
Post by: Antares on June 29, 2010, 05:26:21 AM
Post by: Najemikon on June 29, 2010, 11:33:11 AM
Wow, this is one f*@#*& up thread. :-X
Damn shame. I'm tempted to remove it and start again! :training:
Because I've appreciated the real one when I was young and I found the idea of this remake completly disgusting. Everything who made the original so great and powerfull doesn't make sense anymore. This was never a film about a 10 years old kid, but a film about a teenager who had to deal with bulliying in high school like many of us had to at this time and the film shown us that we can deal with those guys. Sorry but it it isn't kindergarden stuff and to make people believe that is an insult...
I don't even understand why nobody wants to understand why the single idea of this movie piss me off :shrug:
Marie already said what I think. It isn't about your opinion, it's how you express it. It isn't about whether you want to see it, it's about how you won't respect the view of those of us who have.
You have every right to think what you will of the film, but you have no right to contradict those of us who have seen it. For example, I kept stressing that this is Jackie Chan's best English role. In reply, you said he has never had a good English role! Why can't you see how back to front that is? :stars:
I shared your misgivings and only watched it because a I got a preview showing. I really enjoyed it and I'm glad I saw it.
The original Karate Kid was a big movie for me too. And I was 9 when it came out. Not a kids movie? It's a perfect kids movie! It's exactly the sort of film that should be getting made. The remake isn't as good, mainly because it's a younger cast, but it's still the best non-animated kids movie for a long time.
Post by: Antares on June 29, 2010, 04:45:04 PM
Damn shame. I'm tempted to remove it and start again! :training:
Honestly, before it goes any further, you should.
Post by: snowcat on June 29, 2010, 07:30:53 PM
Post by: Najemikon on June 30, 2010, 12:13:23 AM
The situation, such as it is in this thread, is very, very rare on this forum. Nerves were touched early on and it got royally screwed!
Post by: Antares on June 30, 2010, 12:23:37 AM
It isn't opinions causing the problem, but how they're expressed. You only have to look at the multiple times I've "discussed" Tarantino with Antares. Have either of us changed our opinion of him? No. Do either of us feel bullied? Well, actually... NO! Of course not.
Actually, you've driven me to seek medical help, as I can't cope with the pressure of being harassed by your viewpoint...you...you...you...bastard.
You and all your Tarantino brethren should be banned, so I can get on with my life again! :tease: :hysterical:
Post by: snowcat on June 30, 2010, 09:43:47 AM
(using iPod ignore spelling mistakes)