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Title: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: DJ Doena on February 08, 2008, 10:29:35 PM
Star Trek: The Motion Picture (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0079945/)

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William Shatner ... Admiral James T. Kirk
Leonard Nimoy ... Mr. Spock
DeForest Kelley ... Dr. Leonard 'Bones' McCoy
James Doohan ... Cmdr. Montgomery 'Scotty' Scott
George Takei ... Lt. Cmdr. Hikaru Sulu
Majel Barrett ... Dr. Christine Chapel
Walter Koenig ... Lt. Pavel Chekov
Nichelle Nichols ... Lt. Cmdr. Uhura
Persis Khambatta ... Lt. Ilia
Stephen Collins ... Cmdr. Willard Decker
Grace Lee Whitney ... CPO Janice Rand

A huge cloud travels through Klingon and Federation space. Who or what that cloud is, is unclear, but nothing seems to be able to stop it. What is certain, is its course: It's directly heading for Earth. Admiral Kirk takes once again the command over the Enterprise, which has just been refit for 18 monts. Because another thing is certain: The Enterprise is the only ship that can reach the cloud before it comes to Earth.

My opinion:
"The only ship available" is a running gag which goes through all shows and movies. But when the Enterprise is in the orbit of Earth it becomes a bit implausible. That aside I think the refitting of the Enterprise worked very well, it's a very elegant ship. And one thing is a given: this movie dwells in its pictures, in great panoramic views of the Enterprise, the universe and V'Ger. I also liked that not everything was sunshine and sparkles. I liked it when McCoy told Kirk off for being arrogant and that Kirk wasn't infallable. BTW: Have you ever registered the fact that the two movies where the final solution was not a gun fight were both TOS movies?
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: addicted2dvd on February 08, 2008, 10:52:59 PM
I will be watching this thread with interest since I never seen any of the early Star Trek movies. :)
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: Tom on February 08, 2008, 11:01:01 PM
Quote from: addicted2dvd on February 08, 2008, 10:52:59 PM
I will be watching this thread with interest since I never seen any of the early Star Trek movies. :)
:o
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: addicted2dvd on February 08, 2008, 11:03:44 PM
lol... just never had the opportunity to see them. I do plan on getting them all in my collection eventually.
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: Achim on February 09, 2008, 07:56:38 AM
Quote from: TomGaines on February 08, 2008, 11:01:01 PM
:o
You can drop your jaw all you want, but I am with Pete on this :laugh:

I think the first Star Trek movie I have seen was Part IV. I have the first three in my Wish List, although, if any, I might just buy Part I & II; or would I have to get III too, to complete the "opening trilogy"...?
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: DJ Doena on February 09, 2008, 08:54:50 AM
While III is an odd movie (odd in opposition to even), I think it's important because II - IV are somewhat a trilogy and III is also important for the understanding of VI.
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: Tom on February 09, 2008, 08:55:15 AM
I can understand if someone has never seen any Star Trek movie. But that there are people who are generally interested in Star Trek but have never seen "The Wrath of Khan"  :yellowcard: ;)
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: addicted2dvd on February 09, 2008, 11:41:09 AM
Yup... there absolutely is... I am living proof! (at least so far)  :P
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: Tom on February 09, 2008, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: DJ Doena on February 09, 2008, 08:54:50 AM
and III is also important for the understanding of VI.

In what way? I think I'll have to watch the movie again some time because I do not remember an important connection between III and VI. Or did you mean III and IV?
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: Achim on February 09, 2008, 12:53:09 PM
Quote from: TomGaines on February 09, 2008, 08:55:15 AM
I can understand if someone has never seen any Star Trek movie. But that there are people who are generally interested in Star Trek but have never seen "The Wrath of Khan"  :yellowcard: ;)
Well, I own the three seasons of TOS. Seems like I need to reserve a spot in one of my upcoming orders this year for Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan. :) Seeing that (I didn't exactly remember before) even numbered films are generally to be avoided, I might just order I & II (I'd feel weird ordering II without owning I).
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: Tom on February 09, 2008, 01:01:16 PM
Quote from: ya_shin on February 09, 2008, 12:53:09 PM
Seeing that (I didn't exactly remember before) even numbered films are generally to be avoided
No, the odd numbered films are to be avoided. The even numbered are generally the better ones (Star Trek 10 is the exception to this rule).
Star Trek 2,4,6,8 are all very good movies. The others range from average to bad.
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: DJ Doena on February 09, 2008, 01:04:17 PM
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0084726/)

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William Shatner ... Admiral James T. Kirk
Leonard Nimoy ... Captain Spock
DeForest Kelley ... Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy
James Doohan ... Cmdr. Montgomery "Scotty" Scott
Walter Koenig ... Pavel Chekov
George Takei ... Hikaru Sulu
Nichelle Nichols ... Cmdr. Uhura
Bibi Besch ... Dr. Carol Marcus
Merritt Butrick ... Dr. David Marcus
Paul Winfield ... Capt. Clark Terrell
Kirstie Alley ... Lt. Saavik
Ricardo Montalban ... Khan Noonien Singh

The Enterprise has become a training ship under the command of Spock. And Kirk can't handle the fact that he getting old. But suddenly Kirk gets an emergency call from an old girlfriend because someone's out there who wants to even the score.

My opinion:
Khan is the best advisary a Starfleet captain could wish for. Only General Chang can level with him and both happen to have an interest in english literature. ;) As to Spock: As much as I hate it when they kill good characters I have the utmost respect for someone who can apply the third principle of sentient life*.
In my opinion there is a logic hole in the movie (although only a Trekkie would think of it) when it comes to Genesis: I can't imagine that the Federation would really be willing to let the Genesis experiment go so far. The arguments McCoy used must have come up earlier and they had to see how dangerous such a thing could be.

*The third principle of sentient life is the capacity for self-sacrifice, the conscious ability to override evolution and self-preservation for a cause, a friend, a loved one.
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: DJ Doena on February 09, 2008, 01:07:37 PM
Quote from: TomGaines on February 09, 2008, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: DJ Doena on February 09, 2008, 08:54:50 AM
and III is also important for the understanding of VI.

In what way? I think I'll have to watch the movie again some time because I do not remember an important connection between III and VI. Or did you mean III and IV?
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Quote from: TomGaines on February 09, 2008, 01:01:16 PM
Quote from: ya_shin on February 09, 2008, 12:53:09 PM
Seeing that (I didn't exactly remember before) even numbered films are generally to be avoided
No, the odd numbered films are to be avoided. The even numbered are generally the better ones (Star Trek 10 is the exception to this rule).
Star Trek 2,4,6,8 are all very good movies. The others range from average to bad.
I wouldn't go so far as to avaoid them but the single-digit even ones are indeed the better ones.

My personal preference is 6, 4, 8, 2.
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: DJ Doena on February 09, 2008, 03:14:58 PM
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0088170/)

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William Shatner ... Admiral James T. Kirk
Leonard Nimoy ... Capt. Spock
DeForest Kelley ... Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy
James Doohan ... Montgomery "Scotty" Scott
George Takei ... Hikaru Sulu
Walter Koenig ... Pavel Chekov
Nichelle Nichols ... Cmdr. Uhura
Merritt Butrick ... Dr. David Marcus
Robin Curtis ... Lt. Saavik
Christopher Lloyd ... Cmdr. Kruge

Sarek - Spock's father - is visiting Kirk because he hopes that Kirk bears Spock's Kattra, his living soul. But it is McCoy who has the "honour". And now Kirk and McCoy have to return to Genesis to get Spock's body and return it to Vulcan.

My opinion:
In this movie hardly anything worked. It starts with the ground premise. If such a ritual would exist it sure would be a lot more complex and time consuming than that what we saw in II. It's also unclear why the Genesis effect would cause the transformation of Spock's body into a child just to let it grow old again. "Conveniently" until that age that it was before. I also didn't like the Klingons. It may have worked back then, but since that we've learned so much about their culture that I have the feeling this Klingons were portrayed as primitive savages. And the fist fight in the end: It may have been ok back in the series but it wasn't very convincing in this motion picture.
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: Achim on February 09, 2008, 04:04:40 PM
Quote from: TomGaines on February 09, 2008, 01:01:16 PM
Quote from: ya_shin on February 09, 2008, 12:53:09 PM
Seeing that (I didn't exactly remember before) even numbered films are generally to be avoided
No, the odd numbered films are to be avoided. The even numbered are generally the better ones (Star Trek 10 is the exception to this rule).
Star Trek 2,4,6,8 are all very good movies. The others range from average to bad.
Funny, but that's actually what I remembered. Don't know why I wrote it the other way around... :-[ Thanks for the clarification.

...and after Karsten's review I am clear, that I would only buy I and II. Thanks!
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: Najemikon on February 09, 2008, 04:51:11 PM
But then you'd miss the best Star Trek film ever! The one with the whales!  :tease:
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: DJ Doena on February 09, 2008, 05:42:28 PM
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0092007/)

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William Shatner ... Admiral / Captain James T. Kirk
Leonard Nimoy ... Captain Spock
DeForest Kelley ... Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy
James Doohan ... Commander Montgomery "Scotty" Scott
George Takei ... Commander Hikaru Sulu
Walter Koenig ... Commander Pavel Chekov
Nichelle Nichols ... Cmdr. Uhura
Jane Wyatt ... Amanda
Catherine Hicks ... Dr. Gillian Taylor
Mark Lenard ... Ambassador Sarek
Robin Curtis ... Lieutenant Saavik
Robert Ellenstein ... Federation Council President
John Schuck ... Klingon Ambassador
Brock Peters ... Admiral Cartwright

After having stolen the Enterprise and having it blown up above Genesis, the crew has to return in the captured klingon Bird of Prey which Dr. McCoy ironically named HMS Bounty. On Earth they have to face charges of mutiny and theft of the Enterprise. But there is anothere traveler on its way to Earth with a message for its inhabitants.

My opinion:
The funniest movie of the series and I enjoyed it very much. This movie is packed with gags that play with the situation that a group of humans and aliens from the 23rd century has to blend in with the population of San Francisco in the year 1986.
What is regrettable is the fact that we haven't learn anything since then. We still hunt whales for "scientifical purposes".
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: Achim on February 09, 2008, 07:02:15 PM
Quote from: Najemikon on February 09, 2008, 04:51:11 PM
But then you'd miss the best Star Trek film ever! The one with the whales!  :tease:
I have seen that before and it was indeed very entertaining. Silly in parts, but that's alright; it's Star Trek :bag:

Well, I just want to get one or two and most people say II is the best...
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: Najemikon on February 09, 2008, 07:33:03 PM
Yeah, I think II is best as well really and it's pure Trek at least. As Karsten just said though, you can have the most fun with IV I think.
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: DJ Doena on February 09, 2008, 07:49:36 PM
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0098382/)

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William Shatner ... Captain James T. Kirk
Leonard Nimoy ... Captain Spock
DeForest Kelley ... Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy
James Doohan ... Capt. Montgomery "Scotty" Scott
Walter Koenig ... Cmdr. Pavel Chekov
Nichelle Nichols ... Cmdr. Uhura
George Takei ... Cmdr. Hikaru Sulu
David Warner ... St. John Talbot
Laurence Luckinbill ... Sybok
Charles Cooper ... Gen. Korrd
Cynthia Gouw ... Caithlin Dar
Todd Bryant ... Capt. Klaa

The new Enterprise is a single constructional defect. Nothing really works. But then something happens on the "Planet of Galactic Peace", Nimbus III. The ambassadors of the Federation, the Romulans and the Klingons get kidnapped and the Enterprise must come to the rescue.

My opinion:
Most Trekkies say it's the worst of all. I can't agree with that. It is indeed far-fetched that Spock suddenly has a half-brother who is on a big emo trip. But other than that? A man who is on the search for God and gets on the wrong track - that's not uncommon. And the movie had a lot of good sentimental moments as well as funny ones to compensate the former ones.
But they have a problem with deck counting. Since when does the number increase when you get higher? And 78 decks? But that was also a problem in Star Trek 8 and 10 (or it will be).
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: DJ Doena on February 09, 2008, 10:37:10 PM
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0102975/)

(http://doena-soft.de/phpdvdprofiler/images/thumbnails/5014437841537.4f.jpg)

William Shatner ... Captain James T. Kirk
Leonard Nimoy ... Captain Spock
DeForest Kelley ... Dr. Leonard "Bones" McCoy
James Doohan ... Captain Montgomery "Scotty" Scott
Walter Koenig ... Commander Pavel Chekov
Nichelle Nichols ... Cmdr. Uhura
George Takei ... Captain Hikaru Sulu
Kim Cattrall ... Lieutenant Valeris
Mark Lenard ... Ambassador Sarek
Grace Lee Whitney ... Commander Janice Rand
Brock Peters ... Admiral Cartwright
Leon Russom ... Starfleet Commander in Chief
Kurtwood Smith ... Federation President
Christopher Plummer ... General Chang
Rosanna DeSoto ... Azetbur
David Warner ... Chancellor Gorkon
John Schuck ... Klingon ambassador
Michael Dorn ... Colonel Worf

Three months until Captain Kirk and most of his senior staff go into retirement. Sulu has got his own ship now, the Excelsior. But then the klingon moon Praxis explodes. This polutes the atmosphere of the klingon homeworld Qo'noS (Kronos). The Klingons have no choice but to negotiate a peace treaty with the Federation. But there are forces in motion that want to prevent that this happens.

My opinion:
"There will be no peace as long as Kirk lives" (Star Trek IV). This time one had to fear that they mean it. VI is my favourite movie of the entire Star Trek series. There is a great final battle but that's not the end but is marking a new beginning.
Nicholas Meyer is directing a Star Trek movie for the second time after II and he did again an excellent job. Besides being the director he also worked on the screenplay for II, IV and VI and thus for three of the four best Star Trek movies.
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: DJ Doena on February 10, 2008, 11:13:14 AM
Star Trek: Generations (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0111280/)

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Patrick Stewart ... Captain Jean-Luc Picard
Jonathan Frakes ... Commander William T. Riker
Brent Spiner ... Lt. Commander Data
LeVar Burton ... Lt. Commander Geordi La Forge
Michael Dorn ... Lt. / Lt. Commander Worf
Gates McFadden ... Commander / Dr. Beverly Crusher
Marina Sirtis ... Commander Deanna Troi
Malcolm McDowell ... Dr. Tolian Soran
James Doohan ... Capt. Montgomery "Scotty" Scott
Walter Koenig ... Commander Pavel Chekov
William Shatner ... Captain James T. Kirk, retired
Alan Ruck ... Capt. John Harriman
Jacqueline Kim ... Ensign Demora Sulu

2293. Retired Captain Kirk is invited to the ship's christening of the Enterprise-B. But then the ships gets an emergency call from two refugee vessels and the Enterprise comes to aid. But on that mission Kirk dies. 2371. The Enterprise-D under the command of Captain Jean-Luc Picard gets an emergency from the Armagosa observatory. They find only a few survivors but they can't conclude their investigation because the Armagosa sun collapses. And the Enterprise has to prevent that such thing happens again.

My opinion:
I don't know. Personally I don't think it is a good idea to bring these two crews together (i.e. it was only Kirk) with the help of a time distortion element. It felt constructed. And Captain Harriman's incompetence was just a vessel for letting Kirk being the hero for one last time. I also didn't like what was going on aboard the new Enterprise. Picard's reaction to the death of his nephew - it wasn't just like him, somehow it didn't felt right. Additionally I hate Data's emotion chip. The scenes with him were ridiculous and in the movies to come we becomes more and more a figure of fun.
The movie went up from the moment when Picard and Kirk met in the Nexus. But it also set another standard for a TNG movie. Picard fights every enemy with his own bare hands in the great finale and he kills them all - directly or indirectly.
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: DJ Doena on February 10, 2008, 01:36:19 PM
Star Trek: First Contact (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0117731/)

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Patrick Stewart ... Captain Jean-Luc Picard
Jonathan Frakes ... Commander William Riker
Brent Spiner ... Lt. Commander Data
LeVar Burton ... Lt. Commander Geordi La Forge
Michael Dorn ... Lt. Commander Worf
Gates McFadden ... Commander / Dr. Beverly Crusher
Marina Sirtis ... Commander Deanna Troi
Alfre Woodard ... Lily Sloane
James Cromwell ... Dr. Zefram Cochrane
Alice Krige ... Borg Queen
Michael Horton ... Lieutenant Daniels
Neal McDonough ... Lieutenant Hawk
Marnie McPhail ... Lieutenant Eiger
Robert Picardo ... Emergency Medical Hologram
Dwight Schultz ... Lieutenant Reginald Endicott Barclay III

The Borg are attacking the Federation and Earth again and the fleet can't stop them. But then Picard finds a way to destroy the Borg Cube. At this moment a Borg Sphere can escape and it opens a tunnel into the past, to destroy the Federation before it was even founded. The Enterprise has no choice but to follow and try to prevent it.

My opinion:
While I Picard's mourning in 7 didn't felt believeable, I had no problem believing his hatred. I also thought it to be a good idea that he got out of it with the help of classic literature which is a known hobby of Picard's. I don't know if it's a coincidence but movies that are based directly on the events of the series (II and 8) use Moby Dick as a basic plotline.
It was also nice to see how image and reality clashes when it comes to Cochrane.
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: DJ Doena on February 10, 2008, 03:41:19 PM
Star Trek: Insurrection (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0120844/)

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Patrick Stewart ... Captain Jean-Luc Picard
Jonathan Frakes ... Commander William T. Riker
Brent Spiner ... Lt. Commander Data
LeVar Burton ... Lt. Cmdr. Geordi La Forge
Michael Dorn ... Lt. Cmdr. Worf
Gates McFadden ... Dr. Beverly Crusher
Marina Sirtis ... Commander Deanna Troi
F. Murray Abraham ... Ad'har Ru'afo
Donna Murphy ... Anij
Anthony Zerbe ... Vice-Adm. Dougherty
Gregg Henry ... Gallatin
Daniel Hugh Kelly ... Sojef
Michael Welch ... Artim

During a mission where Data isn't assigned of the Enterprise, he gets damaged and his systems fall back to basic functions. In doing so he discloses a secret Federation base. This base is an observation station to monitor a small group of people who live in a remote and wild part of the galaxy. To prevent Data's destruction the crew of the Enterprise tries to get Data under control again.

My opinion:
I actually like that movie. Spock always said that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. Kirk couldn't agree with that and neither can Picard. I like the question this movie asks. Admittedly the humor was sometimes ... umm, well ... (e.g. Data as lifeboat or the joystick) but other than that I liked it.
Only the ending could have been different but an ending where Rua'fo survives didn't make it through the test screenings.
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: DJ Doena on February 10, 2008, 06:13:53 PM
Star Trek: Nemesis (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0253754/)

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Patrick Stewart ... Captain Jean-Luc Picard
Jonathan Frakes ... Commander / Captain William T. Riker
Brent Spiner ... Lt. Commander Data / B-4
LeVar Burton ... Lt. Commander Geordi La Forge
Michael Dorn ... Lt. Commander Worf
Marina Sirtis ... Counselor Deanna Troi-Riker
Gates McFadden ... Dr. Beverly Crusher
Tom Hardy ... Praetor Shinzon
Ron Perlman ... The Reman Viceroy
Shannon Cochran ... Senator Tal'aura
Dina Meyer ... Commander Donatra

The Enterprise is on its way to Betazed, to the wedding of Commander Riker and Counselor Troi. Suddenly they receive a rare positronic signature, a signature that is only emitted by androids like Data. On a lonely planet near the Neutral Zone they find B-4 a prototype of Data's architecture. After that they get invited to Romulus by the new leader of the Romulan Empire. But this new Praetor is a surprise.

My opinion:
This entire movie is bullshit. If you count back, Picard wasn't even Captain of the Enterprise when this clone was produced. And even if, according to the movie it would have taken at least 20 years before Shinzon could have become ready for use. In this time anything could have happend to Picard. But even if: The Romulans are one of the if not even the most paranoid races in this galaxy. And they get  duped by a bunch of Remans (a race we hear of for the first time), they are able to build the greatest battle cruiser of all times and they manage to wipe out the entire romulan senate (that BTW had the size of the editorial staff of a student magazine)? And then this Shinzon accidentally finds another prototype of Dr. Soong's.
I won't even start with the ramming maneuvre or Admiral(!) Janeway.
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: Tom on February 10, 2008, 06:21:15 PM
Quote from: DJ Doena on February 10, 2008, 06:13:53 PM
This entire movie is bullshit.

 :laugh: I agree!
Even minor things bothered me. For example we see a picture of a young Picard without hair (or was it only in form of his clone? I do not remember, I only have seen this movie once whereas I can (and have) watch the other movies countless times). But in the episode Tapestry we learn, that Picard had still full hair as a cadet.
Also everything in this movie is unoriginal. A twin of Data (what about Lore?). Yet another clone story.
And don't get me started on the moon buggy kind of vehicle (it simply seems ridiculous as we almost never see a vehicle with wheels in the 24th century Star Trek universe).
Title: Re: Weekend Star Trek Marathon
Post by: DJ Doena on February 10, 2008, 06:35:23 PM
I know what you mean. I just had to stop ranting somewhere. :D Even with the death of Data they opened a backdoor in form of B-4 - just as they did in II with Spock.