Post by: Najemikon on February 16, 2010, 11:07:50 PM
(http://www.jonmeakin.co.uk/images/firefly.jpg)
As way of a build up to Serenity, I wanted to run through the episodes of the greatest TV series to never be given a proper chance. What Fox did is just criminal.
Anyway, anyone else wishes to jump in on this, go for it. :thumbup:
Post by: Najemikon on February 16, 2010, 11:12:40 PM
| # | Episode | Rating |
| 01 | Serenity (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg104593.html#msg104593) | ***** |
| 02 | The Train Job (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg104633.html#msg104633) | **** |
| 03 | Bushwhacked (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg104754.html#msg104754) | **** |
| 04 | Shinding (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg104755.html#msg104755) | *** |
| 05 | Safe (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg104761.html#msg104761) | ***** |
| 06 | Our Mrs Reynolds (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg104763.html#msg104763) | ***** |
| 07 | Jaynestown (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg104933.html#msg104933) | *** |
| 08 | Out of Gas (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg104934.html#msg104934) | ***** |
| 09 | Ariel (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg105094.html#msg105094) | **** |
| 10 | War Stories (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg105099.html#msg105099) | *** |
| 11 | Trash (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg105105.html#msg105105) | *** |
| 12 | The Message (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg105190.html#msg105190) | **** |
| 13 | Heart Of Gold (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg105191.html#msg105191) | **** |
| 14 | Objects in Space (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg105193.html#msg105193) | ***** |
| 15 | Serenity: Those Left Behind (comic) (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg105212.html#msg105212) | *** |
| 16 | Serenity: Better Days (comic) (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,5952.msg105635.html#msg105635) | **** |
Firefly: Episode 1 - Serenity
5 out of 5
The crew of Serenity is eager to rid themselves of an easily traceable cargo they salvaged from a vessel adrift in space, totally unaware that a passenger has brought an even more dangerous cargo abroad.
The opening pilot episode of Firefly (actually two together on the DVD) would set out clearly just how much potential the series would have. It is utterly sublime. Witty and playful, subverting a dark vein of irony, with superb characters spouting fantastic dialogue. It has an abstract sci-fi edge offset by a dependable Western theme, but with very human drama at its centre (witness the gorgeous Morena Baccarin as Inara "cleansing"). The direction is inventive, insightful and fluid, with several examples of why I suggested the eventual film would be an unsung influence (watch out for the casual zooms into focus and depth-of-field tricks) and indeed, seen as recently as Avatar ;). Somehow the sets seem ramshackle, but this plays to the storys strengths. We're at the arse end of the universe here.
The story cleverly sets up the multiple characters and their relationships without prevarication. A prologue battle scene serves as straightforward introduction to Captain Mal, as anti a hero as they come, and takes a few swipes at cliches of such scenes while establishing the fundamentals to see us through the next 13 or so episodes.
This is the perfect pilot then and is incredibly important to the structure of the show as a whole. So what possessed Fox to show it in the wrong order? Pilots, correct me if I'm wrong, normally get shown first? Or am I being picky?
I think not. Oh, and aren't Fox also responsible for shafting Joss Whedon over Alien 4? The guy is a bona fide genius, but should fire his agent!
Post by: Critter on February 16, 2010, 11:14:49 PM
Post by: goodguy on February 16, 2010, 11:31:43 PM
Anyway, anyone else wishes to jump in on this, go for it. :thumbup:
Bad timing as I'm currently watching TSCC S2.
Somehow the sets seem ramshackle, but this plays to the storys strengths. We're at the arse end of the universe here.
Actually, the main reason I like Firefly better than the movie Serenity are production design and costume design.
Post by: snowcat on February 16, 2010, 11:46:12 PM
Post by: Critter on February 16, 2010, 11:49:43 PM
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This is the perfect pilot then and is incredibly important to the structure of the show as a whole. So what possessed Fox to show it in the wrong order? Pilots, correct me if I'm wrong, normally get shown first? Or am I being picky?
When I heard about this I was furious, the only reason they didn't show it was becuase it was too long and didn't have enough 'action' for a pilot. FOX need to give people more credit, even in todays world we are able to sit through and enjoy a two hour length episode.
Post by: snowcat on February 16, 2010, 11:57:37 PM
...a 2 hour pilot is a bit long by any means, your casual tv viewer doesn't want to sit down for 2 hours to watch a pilot, sad but true.
...even if said series isn't aimed at your "casual" viewer.... they want to catch people on the off chance.
Post by: lyonsden5 on February 16, 2010, 11:58:50 PM
I think the future Whedon creates (aka the 'verse) here is about as believable as it gets. Seems more plausible than a Star Trek type future. I always enjoyed Star Trek but never bought into the human race becoming quite so enlightened and perfect. We're too petty and flawed as a race. Whedon on the other hand has people leaving a bar that had no electricity, jumping on a horse, and then unloading a spaceship! I think he also totally nailed it with the mix of the human race and the english / mandarin hybrid language they speak as well. Cracks me up when they start yelling at each other in Firefly speak
But for me the absolute best part about the show is the characters as well as the casting. Love them all. The Doctor and the Preacher could have been played by someone else but the rest of the crew is spot on.
I'm with Jon, the pilot sets up the show perfectly and quickly. I was hooked from the 1st time I watched.
I have the Blu-ray version and have to add the picture and sound are fantastic :thumbup:
Post by: lyonsden5 on February 17, 2010, 12:04:18 AM
...a 2 hour pilot is a bit long by any means, your casual tv viewer doesn't want to sit down for 2 hours to watch a pilot, sad but true.I disagree. The casual viewer is sitting there for 3 or 4 hours every night (at least here they do). Had fox promoted it correctly it wouldn't have been an issue. A pilot like this one was meant for more than just to see if the network will greenlight the show, it was designed to set the stage for the show and get the viewers hooked.
Post by: lyonsden5 on February 17, 2010, 12:07:46 AM
Post by: snowcat on February 17, 2010, 12:10:04 AM
we did an experiment at college last year, we asked 50 people about there evening viewing.
we found that most of those people said they watched something on a weekly basis, around 20% watched atleast one program casually, but 80% preferred to watch programs that last 30minutes in length... we also found that most people watch television for 3 hours in the evening, and watch around 4-5 programs in those 3 hours...
I think I personally would loose interest in a 2 hour pilot, heck, I loose interest in some hour long episodes, let alone films that last 2 hours... I have to break them up. :shrug: I duno.
Post by: Critter on February 17, 2010, 12:12:18 AM
...a 2 hour pilot is a bit long by any means, your casual tv viewer doesn't want to sit down for 2 hours to watch a pilot, sad but true.I disagree. The casual viewer is sitting there for 3 or 4 hours every night (at least here they do). Had fox promoted it correctly it wouldn't have been an issue. A pilot like this one was meant for more than just to see if the network will greenlight the show, it was designed to set the stage for the show and get the viewers hooked.
I agree with you here Rick, that pilot was made to introduce everyone and it does, it does it well too. If FOX just advertised it properly as maybe a 'movie length opening' or something instead of jumping the gun to the second episode then maybe it would have had more viewers.
Post by: venomsinner on February 17, 2010, 12:17:06 AM
...and again, lets be honest.... what if another season had come out and been crap? then everyone would be all "it sucks"
...be thankful that you got a solid run of a the show, and no rubbish filler etc.
Post by: Najemikon on February 17, 2010, 12:23:03 AM
The problem with that sort of thinking is it doesn't treat the audience as intelligent. A lot of American shows when screened here start with a double-bill to get going, so I can't condone Fox's decision in anyway whatsoever. To expand on Rick's comments, each episode of course features the lovely low key theme. Every time I hear it, it sounds so poignant.
I have the Blu-ray version and have to add the picture and sound are fantastic :thumbup:
:redcard: I'll thank you to keep such thoughts to yourself, while I'm sat here with me DVDs! Or in other words, "you're still talking. Might want to look to that." ;)
Yes, the Reavers! How brilliant to get the series bogey men in the first episode, albeit largely unseen, but damn, they're definitely there.
Somehow the sets seem ramshackle, but this plays to the storys strengths. We're at the arse end of the universe here.
Actually, the main reason I like Firefly better than the movie Serenity are production design and costume design.
It's a great example of doing very well with very little and feeding into the story.
Sorry to have kicked this off now, Matthias, as I'd forgotten you were still Terminating. I just wanted to be on the same page when a few others mentioned they'd be watching Serenity.
On that subject though... Summer Glau. What a great performance! She's playing a freak, but there's an obvious cheeky wit under the surface.
Post by: Tom on February 17, 2010, 12:26:23 AM
Here my episode ratings:
| # | Episode | Rating |
| 01 | Serenity |  |
| 02 | The Train Job |  |
| 03 | Bushwhacked | |
| 04 | Shinding | |
| 05 | Safe | |
| 06 | Our Mrs Reynolds | |
| 07 | Jaynestown | |
| 08 | Out of Gas | |
| 09 | Ariel | |
| 10 | War Stories | |
| 11 | Trash | |
| 12 | The Message | |
| 13 | Heart Of Gold | |
| 14 | Objects in Space | |
Post by: lyonsden5 on February 17, 2010, 12:26:38 AM
:2cents:
we did an experiment at college last year, we asked 50 people about there evening viewing.
we found that most of those people said they watched something on a weekly basis, around 20% watched atleast one program casually, but 80% preferred to watch programs that last 30minutes in length... we also found that most people watch television for 3 hours in the evening, and watch around 4-5 programs in those 3 hours...
I think I personally would loose interest in a 2 hour pilot, heck, I loose interest in some hour long episodes, let alone films that last 2 hours... I have to break them up. :shrug: I duno.
I'm curious, were the 50 people all college age (late teens, early twenties)? When I was under that age I too had "other" things to do. I can just imagine how it is now with the internet, video games, hundreds of channels, DVDs, etc.
If my hunch is true and they were all (or at least mostly) 18-22 ish that would certainly explain the findings. I still say there are many in the key demographics for advertising that are willing to sit for 2 hours to watch a show. In fact tonight's American Idol is a two hour episode. It will probably be be on top of the ratings for the week for Fox.
Post by: Najemikon on February 17, 2010, 12:27:05 AM
Lets be honest, the pilot of Firefly, should have been treated as a movie, 2 hours is film length, not tv show length.... Would it have such a cult following had it ended so quickly?
...and again, lets be honest.... what if another season had come out and been crap? then everyone would be all "it sucks"
...be thankful that you got a solid run of a the show, and no rubbish filler etc.
Like any show, you mean? I regard Buffy season 2 as the finest TV series I've ever seen. The quality tailed off in later seasons and it definitely had some filler, but still with a great arc to play out. It never took the shine of the best moments though.
Firefly would have continued and built up a similar response, I'm sure. Whedon is my favourite sort of writer in that he obviously works to a plan. I would think he knew where he was taking Firefly and there's no reason to think he'd have failed.
Dollhouse I haven't seen, but is an example of a show that didn't capture that audience, so he's far from perfect. He had the formula right for this.
Post by: snowcat on February 17, 2010, 12:41:41 AM
I don't want to pick on you, Emma, but that makes me sad. If your survey is correct, it means we're moving to purely commercial TV faster than I thought. Our TV as I have discussed many times before is invested in long dramas, such as crime thrillers or the Sharpe series, which are two hours per episode.
The problem with that sort of thinking is it doesn't treat the audience as intelligent. A lot of American shows when screened here start with a double-bill to get going, so I can't condone Fox's decision in anyway whatsoever. To expand on Rick's comments, each episode of course features the lovely low key theme. Every time I hear it, it sounds so poignant.
..I agree, it is a sad thing... British TV is very much long dramas etc, but alot of the tv series people go out of there way to watch now are US shows... or comedies... I mean, even things like the Peep Show are on for little over 25minutes.
...Like you said, American shows are shown in double bills, but they are generally the comedies which are around 20 minutes in length, ... and often don't directly carry on from each other... its mindless.
...After a hard day at work etc, you come home to escape, mindless tv is what the majority chooses, no thought is involved, its perfect. I know that after ive been working all day I come home and turn the TV on... if the choice is the X-files and watching an episode of friends for the 5 millionth time friends wins every time... I don't want to think I want to laugh.
So lets be honest, from what I have seen of Serenity, Firefly is pretty deep stuff... something Ive seen from comments on here and stuff friends have said...
Now, im not American but this is what I understand about Fox TV, Fox's main programs are reality esque? American Idol, Joe Millionaire? etc.. there main exports are House, 24, Bones and The OC?
marketing was obviously a problem with Firefly... I hadn't heard about until a friend mentioned it two years ago....
the problems it faced were probably it being shown out of order but also a few other things...
My friend told me about this cool show that was an "action-comedy" ... I feel this kind of series is more of a character case study..
Im sure because of its low viewings, which were probably fox's fault for showing it out of order (maybe they should have split the two hour pilot into two episodes?) Im sure it also got moved all over the tv guide to different times... annoying people and making them miss vital points...
Im sure Firefly has a fixed storyline, its not like the X-Files or Scrubs of Friends... with a basic idea you can watch absolutely any episode.
anyway... what im trying to say is, maybe it was for the best, as Venomsinner said... it had one solid series and thats a good thing. and maybe Fox could have tried harder... but maybe they didn't want to, they saw Whedon's name and went "YEAH!" then changed there mind.
...im sure ill edit this tomorrow, as im sure it makes no sense :p im very tired right now.
...Also, Rick, nope... we made sure to ask a wide array of people... we asked 50 (5 groups of 10 people)
the groups were
under 18
18-25
26-35
36-40
40+
Edit: uhh... ¬_¬ 26-35 lol ... not 2 - 35
Post by: goodguy on February 17, 2010, 12:55:40 AM
# Episode Rating 01 Serenity 02 The Train Job
This just boggles my mind. But it is a good example for why Fox may have done what they did. And I remember reading some good and intelligent arguments why The Train Job actually works better as a pilot. I still think they are nuts, though. :P
Post by: Achim on February 17, 2010, 04:45:23 AM
Same here :shrug:Anyway, anyone else wishes to jump in on this, go for it. :thumbup:
Bad timing as I'm currently watching TSCC S2.
I have the Blu-ray version and have to add the picture and sound are fantastic :thumbup:Would you say it's worthy the upgrade...?
From what I read Serenity is clearly upgrade material, so I am wondering if I should just get for the whole thing. Although, I believe Firefly is still priced to high (I know you got it on sale).
Post by: lyonsden5 on February 17, 2010, 02:25:29 PM
The soundtrack was clearly better in the HD version. DTS HD Master Audio 5.1 I believe. Good stuff.
The picture has its moments of brilliance and some moments where it just 'meh'. Overall I feel it is an improvment. I have not watched the standard def version upconverted to 1080p though...
For the $50-60 bucks it is selling for now I don't know if I'd recommend it. I'd certainly watch for a sale though.
Post by: lyonsden5 on February 17, 2010, 02:30:24 PM
...Also, Rick, nope... we made sure to ask a wide array of people... we asked 50 (5 groups of 10 people)Thanks for clarifying.
the groups were
under 18
18-25
26-35
36-40
40+
Edit: uhh... ¬_¬ 26-35 lol ... not 2 - 35
For the record I agree with you that I would rather watch Friends than an episode of the X-files if I'm looking for some background noise while I cook, eat or whatever. Personally give me an episode of Chuck, Bones, Castle, etc over either of the two used in your example. Something with a bit of everything.
Post by: Dragonfire on February 17, 2010, 05:35:42 PM
I watched the show when it was on originally. Though I did miss a few episodes thanks to FOX bouncing it all around the schedule. I do remember them airing the pilot last and I'm thinking it was aired as 2 one hour episodes.
Post by: DJ Doena on February 17, 2010, 06:36:47 PM
Post by: lyonsden5 on February 17, 2010, 06:41:57 PM
In case you don't watch Castle::laugh: One of the reasons I watch Castle! I love a show that doesn't take itself too seriously.
"Didn't you wear that like five years ago?" :hysterical:
Post by: Dragonfire on February 17, 2010, 07:31:24 PM
Post by: Najemikon on February 17, 2010, 08:02:27 PM
4 out of 5
Mal has second thoughts after discovering that two boxes af Alliance goods - his crew has been hired to steal - are full of badly needed medical supplies heading for the mining town of Paradiso.
The first "regular" episode. Fairly laid back and indulging in a staple of Western lore, the train robbery. A nice plot allows for great fun while they get the loot in a fantastic scene, and a little bit of pathos while Mal doesn't hesitate in giving it back. As Matthias said before, this was broadcast first and there is an argument that it works very well as a pilot, but still. Big mistake.
The grace notes are delivered quite brilliantly. We start off with a solid scrap and I loved Jayne getting doped up and how they leave him on the stairs! And as with the pilot, or episode 2, there's a nice bit of casual brutality from Mal right near the end. Just the job. Meanwhile, the relationships between several other characters are starting to develop a routine and in a concession to typical TV pacing, River is starting to tease about just what happened to her...
"Two by two, hands of blue..." :devil:
Gregg Henry is well cast as the weary Sheriff of Paradiso. He would work with Fillion again in Slither and I belive he pops up in Whedon's Dollhouse too.
Post by: Najemikon on February 17, 2010, 08:03:08 PM
In case you don't watch Castle::laugh: One of the reasons I watch Castle! I love a show that doesn't take itself too seriously.
"Didn't you wear that like five years ago?" :hysterical:
:training:
Ok, so now I have to get this show too? Good grief. ;)
Post by: Tom on February 17, 2010, 08:53:19 PM
# Episode Rating 01 Serenity 02 The Train Job
This just boggles my mind. But it is a good example for why Fox may have done what they did. And I remember reading some good and intelligent arguments why The Train Job actually works better as a pilot. I still think they are nuts, though. :P
The pilot "Serenity" had the tough job to introduce nine characters in about 80 minutes. It did a good job doing this. But in the "The Train Job" they just took the characters and had fun. I can understand Fox wanting to have this one as the first episode, though I am glad that I was able to enjoy the series in the proper order now.
And maybe it was because of Fox airing "The Train Job" first that I didn't give the series a proper chance the first time around. "Serenity" did a great job warming me up to the Western setting.
Post by: Dragonfire on February 18, 2010, 02:39:44 AM
In case you don't watch Castle::laugh: One of the reasons I watch Castle! I love a show that doesn't take itself too seriously.
"Didn't you wear that like five years ago?" :hysterical:
:training:
Ok, so now I have to get this show too? Good grief. ;)
Yup...you have to get Castle too. :)
Post by: Achim on February 18, 2010, 03:56:59 AM
Yup...you have to get Castle too. :)After some positive posts here and lovemunkey's praise on Facebook: I got it already. Too much to watch at this point though :weep:
Post by: Dragonfire on February 18, 2010, 04:19:17 AM
Post by: Najemikon on February 19, 2010, 10:53:24 PM
4 out of 5
After encountering a booby-trapped spacecraft carrying the lone crew member of a horrific Reaver attack, Serenity is boarded by an Alliance Commander looking for Simon and River.
A good tense episode that builds up the legend of the Reavers, still without us seeing them, but we do see their horrific work in a haunted house Alien vibe for the first half. And sticking with pure sci-fi this time, the second half wouldn't be out of place in Star Wars as the all powerful
Not all the crew are interviewed as River and Simon are hiding in a unique spot that delights River. Summer Glau continues to add layers to such a seemingly simple character.
Post by: Najemikon on February 19, 2010, 11:14:08 PM
3 out of 5
In order to secure a job transporting cargo off-planet for a client, Mal attends a social event where a dance with Inara leads to him being challenged to a swordfight in defence of her honour.
This is a good episode that brings Inara and her conflicts with Mal to the fore as she attends a high society ball with one of her clients, who develops nicely though predictably from smooth charmer to arrogant git. It's a story that gives Kaylee a fun sequence too as Mal indulges her girly side and lets her go to the ball, so he can get in and arrange a job. Kaylee delivers the line that became synonymous with the series: Captain Tightpants (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Captain%20Tight%20Pants). :laugh: She is however out of her depth in such a place and gets rescued by a kindly old gent who delivers a brilliant put-down in this typically witty script. I won't spoil that, but his follow up is a gem for everyday use: "I cannot abide useless people...".
Overall, while the period setting is well done and the writing continues to be sparky and subtle, it is a contrived, ultimately silly story with an obvious, inevitable conclusion (though the duel is funny), and it has to keep the rest of the crew locked up on the ship doing very little. Except, honourable mention again for Summer as she shows River's natural adaptability with an impromptu period English accent and runs rings around Badger, who is holding them hostage while Mal honours his duel. To be fair, it also finds room for expanding a little more on Zoe and Wash. I love how these two are so different, but absolutely match. I don't like the cliché many shows follow of having a couple break up to make up and so on. It's nice to see a marriage depicted as simply working.
Post by: Najemikon on February 20, 2010, 03:24:14 AM
5 out of 5
When Simon is kidnapped by a group of villagers in need of a doctor, Serenity is forced into contact with an Alliance ship in order to seek medical help for the critically wounded Book.
This is a superb episode. There seems to be so much crammed in and it plays out beautifully. The crew land on a planet to deliver the cows they got at the end of Shindig. While the deal is being done, Simon loses track of River in the town. He finds her as she joins a dance, witch is then juxtaposed with a proper Western-style gunfight after the deal went wrong. I know I keep saying it, but Summer is just so delicate and breathtaking in this performance.
She and Simon get themselves kidnapped and Mal leaves them to get the wounded Shepherd fixed up (by the Alliance in a desperate move) and they discover an intriguing detail about him. By way of flashbacks we learn something of Simon and River's childhood too and it makes that plot-line all the more poignant. Trivia fans take note: the young Simon is played by Zac Efron, of all people!
It's a fairly serious, quality episode though ends in comic book fashion, but that isn't a criticism in any way. Merely just an example of the sheer confidence in the writing.
Post by: Najemikon on February 20, 2010, 03:42:38 AM
5 out of 5
After a celebration in which the crew is honoured for ridding a planet of a group of bandits, they returned to Serenity to find a woman named Saffron who claims that Mal married her during festivities.
Another perfect episode, straight after Safe, yet they couldn't be more different once again proving the versatility of the writing and characters. River's story is left alone to make way for a caper. In a complete change of pace, it is so funny for the most part. Real laugh out loud stuff, right from the opening scene. And then the moment everyone gathers on the ship to be introduced to Mrs. Saffron Reynolds is a hoot too, especially with Wash (who gets a good run throughout actually), then later Shepherd ("a very special level of hell...") and in a surprising moment, Inara. Morena has a great scene with Christina Hendricks who plays Saffron, then displays hitherto unseen comic timing...
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Whedon writes great female characters, and what with Morena looking about as cute as she can be, plus the gorgeous Christina, this is a memorable episode and them some! :heat: I haven't watched Mad Men yet and I think Christina Hendricks is a regular there? That's getting bumped up the watch list... ;)
Seriously though, this episode is written so well it's almost vulgar. There are so many great scenes on top of what I've already mentioned, plus great dialogue throughout and a splash of peril at the end.
Oh and one more girl I'd forgotten about. Jayne introduces us to Vera and she's pretty hot too... :laugh:
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Post by: goodguy on February 20, 2010, 04:00:51 AM
Firefly: Episode 5 - Shindig
...
Except, honourable mention again for Summer as she shows River's natural adaptability with an impromptu period English accent and runs rings around Badger...
That's such a beautiful scene, it makes me almost weep everytime I see it. And it reminds me that you have yet to mention the music in the series.
Post by: Najemikon on February 20, 2010, 10:25:55 PM
Firefly: Episode 5 - Shindig
...
Except, honourable mention again for Summer as she shows River's natural adaptability with an impromptu period English accent and runs rings around Badger...
That's such a beautiful scene, it makes me almost weep everytime I see it. And it reminds me that you have yet to mention the music in the series.
Honestly, I felt the same when she analyses the people dancing and then joins in. Just sublime. Joss Whedon is a very laid back, irreverent sort of bloke when he's interviewed, but what happened to Firefly must have hurt a lot more than he even said. I bet it feels like divine intervention for a writer when they find an actor who pulls off one of their characters as well as Summer essays River. For that not to translate into tangible success is just absurd. It's not as if anything or anyone else was letting them down.
Not sure why I haven't mentioned the music actually, Matthias, because it is another rather unique quality in such a TV show. It's clear, right from the theme that it's a very important element. Which of course it would be in the sort of communities the crew encounter.
Post by: Najemikon on February 23, 2010, 11:15:49 PM
3 out of 5
When the crew returns to a planet where Jayne participated in a heist gone bad, they're shocked to discover theat Jayne's past actions have turned him into a local hero of Robin Hood-like mystic proportions.
A decent episode, but I can't help feeling it's more filler than thriller. It's a lot of fun, but the main plot is about Jayne and his surprising hero status in an isolated community which brings out a little history and a different side to him in a rather predictable plot. It seems a lot for such a slight conclusion. Still, considering Matthias' recent comment about the music, this is definitely a highlight, with a cute ditty ("Hero of Canton, the Man they call Jayne") that feeds into the recurring theme very nicely.
There's a nice side plot for Inara and as always it's very watchable with great banter. No development of the River story except she is starting to settle. She decides to "fix" Shepherd Book's Bible in a scene which is brilliant and hilarious in equal measure. We have a concise exploration of faith, while River declares that Noah's Ark will have to be put down to Quantum Mechanics, followed by a bit of slapstick when she sees his hair unbound! Loved it.
Actually there's a heck of a lot in this to say I reckon it's only average overall. Just proves an average Firefly is worth a dozen of another show.
Post by: Najemikon on February 23, 2010, 11:31:29 PM
5 out of 5
After an explotion leaves Serenity crippled, Mal orders everyone to abandon ship while he stays behind in an attempt to make repairs - and reminisces how he found the ship an picked crew.
With hindsight this episode might have worked better as the finale, but wherever it is, it's another perfect and ambitious gem of a story. Whedon can always be relied upon to throw something like this in. It's a smartly directed story that plays with the narrative very cleverly. When such things fail, they can be awful. This does not fail at all.
It starts with Mal seriously injured on a deserted Serenity, with alarms going on and warnings about life support. He has an engine part in his hand and he's trying to get to the engine room. As he drifts in and out of conciousness, he remembers getting Serenity and how he built the crew, inter-cut with how he ended up on his own, bleeding and suffocating to death.
It's a powerful and poignant story that does so much to build the characters and their relationships, while giving us tons of back-story. It would be so easy to treat this as a gimmick (Wash has a moustache and Zoe hates him! Kaylee looks cute in make-up!, etc), but it's elegant and subtle. It shows us another side to Mal especially; his tenacity, honour and dedication, as well as offering some insight into just why he does what he does. This is not an episode for cool dialogue (although Zoe's introduction to derelict ship is hilarious), but quiet grim determination that will echo through the series.
Ok, so "echo through the series" is contrary to it making an ideal finale should have chosen to do so. Doesn't stop it being a wonderful piece of TV. I don't want to say more as people should discover it for themselves... :thumbup:
EDIT: So my DVD player just did a weird thing. I pressed play on the next episode and it loaded this one instead! :shrug: It reminded me, once again I haven't referenced the music. :bag: It's a beautiful theme that just drags you in and the first flashback with Mal showing Zoe Serenity is very well constructed... "step around it. Something must have died in here..."
Post by: Tom on February 24, 2010, 10:26:56 PM
Writer: Joss Whedon (Writer)
Director: Joss Whedon
Cast: Nathan Fillion (Mal), Gina Torres (Zoe), Alan Tudyk (Wash), Morena Baccarin (Inara), Adam Baldwin (Jayne), Jewel Staite (Kaylee), Sean Maher (Simon), Summer Glau (River), Ron Glass (Shepherd Book), Carlos Jacott (Lawrence Dobson), Mark A. Sheppard (Badger), Andy Umberger (Dortmunder Captain), Philip Sternberg (Inara's Client), Eddie Adams (Bendis), Colin Patrick Lynch (Radio Operator), Bonnie Bartlett (Patience), Domingo Vara (Ensign), Stephen O'Mahoney (Man (Dortmunder)), Jamie McShane (Man), John F. Kearney (Old Man), Gabrielle Wagner (Slave #1)
I have borrowed the Blu-ray release of this series from a friend to see, if there is much difference in quality.
I have now watched the pilot episode again and am thinking about rewatching the entire series again. The series and its characters made a lasting impression, with me wanting to revisit this series again so soon after. The 14 episodes weren't just enough. It is not often that a series makes me to rewatch it so soon after the first time. In recent history only "Sarah Connor Chronicles" and "Big Bang Theory" made me do it.
This pilot episode had much rewatch value. Now knowing the characters a lot better and was fun to see the beginning here.
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Post by: Najemikon on February 24, 2010, 10:57:58 PM
Post by: Tom on February 24, 2010, 11:15:32 PM
Writer: Joss Whedon (Writer), Tim Minear (Writer)
Director: Joss Whedon
Cast: Nathan Fillion (Mal), Gina Torres (Zoe), Alan Tudyk (Wash), Morena Baccarin (Inara), Adam Baldwin (Jayne), Jewel Staite (Kaylee), Sean Maher (Simon), Summer Glau (River), Ron Glass (Shepherd Book), Tom Towles (Lund), Andrew Bryniarski (Crow), Michael Fairman (Adelei Niska), Gregg Henry (Sheriff Bourne), Valerie Red-Horse (Deputy), Kevin Will (Officer), Lina Patel (Ensign), David Reynolds (Henchman), Jeff Ricketts (Man), Dennis Cockrum (Other Man), Eric Lange (Fed), Tawny René Hamilton (Immigrant Woman #1), Michelle Ferrara (Immigrant Woman #2)
The episode which originally aired as the first episode. I liked it, but I don't think that it is pilot material. It only works if you are already introduced to the characters and the setting. Watching it again, I really think that the fact that it was aired first was one of the reasons that I was put off by the show early on when it originally aired.
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Post by: Tom on February 25, 2010, 09:01:28 PM
Writer: Tim Minear (Writer)
Director: Tim Minear
Cast: Nathan Fillion (Mal), Gina Torres (Zoe), Alan Tudyk (Wash), Morena Baccarin (Inara), Adam Baldwin (Jayne), Jewel Staite (Kaylee), Sean Maher (Simon), Summer Glau (River), Ron Glass (Shepherd Book), Doug Savant (Commander Harken), Branden Morgan (Survivor), Jared Poe (Ensign), Lancer Dean Shull (Radio Operator)
Though they are only a few small scenes with her, River (Summer Glau) had some great moments. Like how they hid outside the ship and she is admiring the stars.
Also it's fun how Jayne was tricking Simon into suiting up. The interrogation scenes were also funny.
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Post by: Tom on February 25, 2010, 10:09:08 PM
Writer: Jane Espenson (Writer)
Director: Vern Gillum
Cast: Nathan Fillion (Mal), Gina Torres (Zoe), Alan Tudyk (Wash), Morena Baccarin (Inara), Adam Baldwin (Jayne), Jewel Staite (Kaylee), Sean Maher (Simon), Summer Glau (River), Ron Glass (Shepherd Book), Mark A. Sheppard (Badger), Edward Atterton (Atherton Wing), Larry Drake (Sir Warwick Harrow), Carl Bresk (Wright), Larry Pennell (Murphy), Michael McMillian (Younger Hopeful), Joshua Grenrock (Porter), Kim Onasch (Banning), Janora McDuffie (Cabott), Casey Piotrowski (Older Farmer), Hunter Cochran (Younger Farmer), Roy Werner (Gentleman)
I like how Kaylee gets enjoyment out of the ball even though she is put down by the snobby rich girls.
It is nice to see the relationship between Mal and Inara develop, but the episode takes the "period" setting a little to far.
The other crew came too short, but at least River stole again one scene.
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Post by: Najemikon on February 25, 2010, 10:52:34 PM
4 out of 5
Simon offers the crew a proposition: if they help him sneak River into a hospital so he can run-tests on her, he'll tell them where to find medical supplies that will fetch an enormous price on black market.
An inventive and ambitious heist caper episode which features some impressive sets and special effects to make a convincing hospital. As Matthias said before, the rough, thrown together look of the show gives it character, but this story had to at least convince us that the hospital is top of the line and it's very well realised.
The story is a thrill too. Simon comes up with an audacious plan after River reveals an unfortunate side to her problems in a great scene. The River character continues to be delivered quite brilliantly. Once the plan is under way it is a lot of fun with a sort of Mission Impossible vibe. Still, I think it asks a lot of us to consider that Kaylee and Wash could possibly rebuild a small craft in such a small amount of time!
The conclusion to this story is fantastic and a much better realistic breakdown of Jayne's character than the Jaynestown episode.
Post by: Najemikon on February 25, 2010, 11:11:47 PM
3 out of 5
Wash regrets insisting he be allowed to accompany Mal on a mission after the two men are captured by Adelai Niska - the client who previously hired Mal to steal the medicine bound for Paradiso.
While War Stories ends very well and develops a couple of characters nicely, the first half is a bit obvious and as whole there's something slightly distasteful about the torture scenes. Unless done very well, I think such plots breed a little laziness. Plus as I said before, I really enjoy Wash and Zoe's relationship, so the premise (Wash is jealous of Mal) kind of comes out of nowhere.
Still, this does give the focus to the couple. Wash has some great banter throughout and Zoe gets to show her initiative and the final shoot-out is a riot! Like in Ariel, this needed some impressive sets and Niska's base is very well done, and accentuated nicely with CGI. One characters demise is particularly nasty if you look close enough... :P
While not as elegant as some previous episodes, I love how the writing continues to set-up clichés just to knock them down: Zoe forced to choose between Mal and Wash; Mal having to deal with a henchman by 'himself'. :laugh:
And proving that no episode goes wasted, Shepherd reveals himself to be adept at combat and wit (his put down on Simon borders on cocky!), so there is yet more to learn about this so called monk. Plus another character turns out to be deadly as well ("nothing in the 'verse..." :o) and scares the crap out of Kaylee. To be honest, I can't blame her!
The 'sub-plot' with apples was clever too, representing both fun times and not so fun times in several ways (River is laughing about eating them, but later throws them up as Simon's new wonder drugs from Ariel wear off).
Post by: Najemikon on February 26, 2010, 12:46:12 AM
3 out of 5
Mal is shocked to discover his friend's new bride is Saffron who, although furious after Mal blows her cover, offers to cut Mal in on what she calls the perfect, big-time scam.
Ah, welcome back Christina Hendricks! While not as outrageously funny or fresh as Our Mrs. Reynolds, she makes the episode a delight and brings plenty of laughs, and once again, brings the best out of Inara.
It's a standard caper story really, with little to no peril and even less development. Though River casually reveals something about Jayne to Simon, who makes sure Jayne knows exactly where he stands. Great line from River too!
The character of River must have been a pet project of Whedon's, because she bears a lot of comparison with the marvellous Anya (Emma Caulfield). While she was more centred than River, she shares the inability to process emotions properly. In both characters it was never a gimmick and some very interesting things come out of it (see Buffy episode The Body in particular).
Another hilarious ending for this episode and a brave performance from Fillion! :laugh: Fancy meeting Inara like that... :-X
By the way, look out for the console screen when Kaylee and Jayne are reprogramming the trash bin. :P
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Oh and another spoiler. Only look if you've seen the full series before...
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Post by: Najemikon on February 27, 2010, 04:16:53 PM
4 out of 5
While Jayne opens a mail package from his mother that contains a wool cap with ear flaps and a pom-pom, Mal and Zoe open their package to discover the body of their old war buddy, Tracey.
On paper, the premise of this episode is a bit daft. And the final act, again on paper, just shouldn't work, but it does and beautifully well. Whedon wrote this episode, with Tim Minear, and proves again how brilliantly he can turn a silly idea into gold. Sums up Buffy The Vampire Slayer as a whole and possibly explains why he hasn't been as successful as he deserves. Even now people frown when I say Buffy is my favourite show; you have to defend it as soon as the title comes out of your mouth!
The other thing this episode continues to prove is his grasp of mortality, in fact it is central to this plot working as well as it does. The final ironic moments push the viewers faith in the guest character to the limit. That it is still heart-breaking is a marvellous achievement. Much of this is down to the delivery by Jonathan M. Woodward, whose speech reminded me somewhat of Bill Murray, if that doesn't sound ridiculous.
It's a good action episode too, with a great villain played by Richard Burgi chasing down Serenity and giving Wash perhaps his best pilot moment. We've heard he's supposed to be good and the sequence shows it better than ever. The fact he makes a basic error that doesn't detract from his skill just adds to the fun!
The music is typically perfect too. The documentary on the DVD features Greg Edmonson speaking about this episode in particular, because he was worried he'd gone overboard. Emotions were running high, because the final scene happens to have been the last thing they shot. The tone is just right though and he adds to a superlative, memorable collection for Firefly. It's just one more point against Fox because this crew was clearly so into the whole project, it deserved time to grow.
And in another travesty, I see this episode was nominated for the 2004 Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation (Short Form), but lost out to Gollum's acceptance speech at the MTV awards. ??? Ok, that is a funny sketch, but come on!
Post by: Najemikon on February 27, 2010, 04:34:07 PM
4 out of 5
The crew comes to the aid of a bordello when its madam, an old acquaintance of Inara's, asks for help after a gunslinger claims a prostitute's baby is his and he's taking it because his wife is barren.
Where do they find these guest stars? Melinda Clarke as Nandi is yet another one who makes a big impression with a character only within a single episode. She is marvellous as Inara's friend and Madame of a good old Western whorehouse. Her relationship with Mal is handled very well. It's possibly the most adult episode and would have had great resonance throughout the series if this wasn't the penultimate one.
It's essentially a very loose play on Unforgiven, with the crew helping to even the odds for the girls against the locals led by another memorable villain played by Fredric Lane. It results in one of the best action sequences of the series in a proper Western siege, commendable for playing across two or three separate fronts, although just a little more time could have been given to Kaylee and Wash on Serenity. It sort of peters out without a satisfying conclusion. However the ending of the main plot is excellent. Powerful and then even a little brutal.
Jayne has little to do except be funny, but he is very funny! There's little to add to the main arc, but Inara gives an emotional performance that again, should have set up a major development. Not much for River to do in this story, but she gets a line that sums her up perfectly. Peering at Petaline while she's giving birth, River comments, "Who do you think is in there?". Very clever! :laugh:
Post by: Najemikon on February 27, 2010, 04:55:26 PM
5 out of 5
The crew is caught off-guard when a bounty hunter, eager to claim the enormous reward on River's head, sneaks aboard 'Serenity' and methodically begins taking the crew prisoner one-by-one.
And so we come to the very premature end. Thankfully, this is a very fine example of Joss Whedon at his best with an ambitious, powerful episode that rather bravely leaves several characters sidelined. For very good reason though, because this is River's story and no less than the monumental performance throughout the series by Summer deserves.
The opening sequence is gorgeous. Whedon is a great director and adds all sorts of little touches to give us River's view of Serenity (the camera glides through walls and floors, matching her fluidity) as she wrestles with her own perception of the crew and comes to realise that she isn't wanted. Well, maybe. The ending subverts that theory brilliantly. First we get a full on proper dose of existentialism! The shot of her finding the twig is astonishing. The episode couldn't be like this all the way through though, but is neatly picked up post credits by the character of Jubal Early, the bounty hunter.
He is a marvellous villain and the writing for him is excellent, slipping between ruthless combat (deals with Mal and Book very quickly), deeply disturbing (his manipulation of Kaylee and even Inara) and quiet psychological contemplation (he holds Simon at gunpoint looking for River, but has time to wonder if River's room is still a room, even if she isn't in it!). All the while he is very witty too (loved the story about the arson loving midget!), but in the end, he has underestimated the wonderful River, who has seemingly become part of the ship...
I'm sure that makes it sound like it's a story far too clever for its own good, but it has to be seen to be believed. It is fantastic and manages to leave us with a positive note (loved the little moment between Mal and River), if not a satisfying conclusion to the threads (Jubal clearly understands Shepherd better than anyone including us, sadly).
Bloody Fox. To borrow Jubal's catchphrase...
"Does that seem right to you?"
Post by: goodguy on February 27, 2010, 08:06:10 PM
Firefly: Episode 10 - War Stories
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Plus another character turns out to be deadly as well ("nothing in the 'verse..." :o) and scares the crap out of Kaylee.
It is a perfect moment that you just can't top by showing more of it. The fight scene at the end of the movie is by no means bad, but it can't hold a candle to the scene in this episode, both in execution and how it is set up.
Post by: Najemikon on February 27, 2010, 09:24:04 PM
Firefly: Episode 10 - War Stories
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Plus another character turns out to be deadly as well ("nothing in the 'verse..." :o) and scares the crap out of Kaylee.
It is a perfect moment that you just can't top by showing more of it. The fight scene at the end of the movie is by no means bad, but it can't hold a candle to the scene in this episode, both in execution and how it is set up.
Agreed. I found when rating the episodes, the ones that followed a conventional route tended to pale. So that episode, for all it's action was pretty average, until that moment. The film tends to have to have more set-pieces to pull in a fresh audience.
Post by: Najemikon on February 27, 2010, 09:58:14 PM
3 out of 5 (if directly compared with the show)
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I thought I'd stick in a few notes about the comic mini-series that Joss Whedon and Brett Matthews created to act as a prequel to the film. More details of the plot are on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity:_Those_Left_Behind), but I'll note the key bits in a spoiler below.
As a comic, it's pretty good, though slight and the artwork is too good, if that makes any sense! I find when comics get too painted, they become a little stilted for my liking, but this seems to be the style of all film and TV tie-ins. The dialogue isn't bad, but feels like it's trying too hard (scripted by Matthews, who did Heart of Gold for the TV run). It moves at a fast pace though and captures the heart of the series somewhat, starting with a bank robbery going wrong and a desperate escape from the town (great moment with Wash and Kaylee using Serenity to tear out a water tower and flood the chasing mob!). Then we follow the two Blue Hand guys from Ariel, still on River and Simon's trail...
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There's nothing major here, but if you like the show, you'll enjoy it. Not enough material to fill an episode though if you read quick!
Post by: Tom on February 27, 2010, 10:31:05 PM
Writer: Drew Z. Greenberg (Writer)
Director: Michael Grossman
Cast: Nathan Fillion (Mal), Gina Torres (Zoe), Alan Tudyk (Wash), Morena Baccarin (Inara), Adam Baldwin (Jayne), Jewel Staite (Kaylee), Sean Maher (Simon), Summer Glau (River), Ron Glass (Shepherd Book), Isabella Hofmann (Regan Tam), William Converse-Roberts (Gabriel Tam), John Thaddeus (Stark), Gary Werntz (Patron), Andrew A. Rolfes (Older Grange), Mathew C. Ferreira (Younger Grange), Joel Steingold (Head Cop), Erica N. Tazel (Doralee), Ron Ostrow (Commander), Morina Pierce (Ruby), Skylar Roberge (Young River), Zac Efron (Young Simon)
Nice to see more of River. Also some other great scenes. Like Kaylee's confronting Simon because he says bad things about Serenity's crew lifestyle.
And we get a hint that Shepherd Book has an interesting past which sadly they never had the chance to explore.
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Post by: Tom on February 27, 2010, 11:28:09 PM
Writer: Joss Whedon (Writer)
Director: Vondie Curtis Hall
Cast: Nathan Fillion (Mal), Gina Torres (Zoe), Alan Tudyk (Wash), Morena Baccarin (Inara), Adam Baldwin (Jayne), Jewel Staite (Kaylee), Sean Maher (Simon), Summer Glau (River), Ron Glass (Shepherd Book), Christina Hendricks (Saffron), Benito Martinez (Boss), Erik Passoja (Bree), Bob Fimiani (Elder Gommen), Alex Stemkovsky (Bandit #1)
My favorite Firefly episode. It is just a lot of fun. Like the reaction of the crew of finding out that Mal is married. The teasing. And of course Jayne trying to trade is favorite gun for Saffron. Also Inara insistance of having hit her head to hide the fact she kissed Mal's poisoneous lips.
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Post by: Najemikon on February 28, 2010, 01:44:01 AM
Also Inara insistance of having hit her head to hide the fact she kissed Mal's poisoneous lips.
"I hit my head, is all..." :hysterical:
And, has she ever looked cuter?
Post by: Tom on February 28, 2010, 08:37:49 PM
Writer: Ben Edlund (Writer)
Director: Marita Grabiak
Cast: Nathan Fillion (Mal), Gina Torres (Zoe), Alan Tudyk (Wash), Morena Baccarin (Inara), Adam Baldwin (Jayne), Jewel Staite (Kaylee), Sean Maher (Simon), Summer Glau (River), Ron Glass (Shepherd Book), Gregory Itzin (Magistrate Higgins), Daniel Bess (Mudder), Kevin Gage (Stitch Hessian), Zachary Kranzier (Fess Higgins), Jordan Lund (Foreman), Bob McCracken (Well-Dressed Man), Ronald Craig Williams (Busker), John Jabaley (Bartender), Laura Niemi (Woman), Simon Brooke (Prod), Clement E. Blake (Mudder Elder)
A lot of great moments. I love the scenes between River and Book. How River is trying to fix the bible :)
And all that hair!
And I also like the Jayne storyline, where a town is celebrating him as a hero. Really funny is the scene where the crew learn about this while listening to the Jayne-Song.
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Post by: Tom on February 28, 2010, 09:41:50 PM
Writer: Tim Minear (Writer)
Director: David Solomon
Cast: Nathan Fillion (Mal), Gina Torres (Zoe), Alan Tudyk (Wash), Morena Baccarin (Inara), Adam Baldwin (Jayne), Jewel Staite (Kaylee), Sean Maher (Simon), Summer Glau (River), Ron Glass (Shepherd Book), Steven Flynn (Captain), Ilia Volok (Marco), Lyle Kanouse (Salesman), Dax Griffin (Bester), Roderick L. McCarthy (Lacey #1)
Great transitions between the scenes of Mal's current predictment, how he got there and the flashbacks how the crew got together. Nice that even though the series only lasted 14 episodes we got to have the chance to see the beginnings. Although one thing still is open to which I'd like to see an answer: How and when did it happen, that Zoe goes from disliking Wash to loving him?
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Post by: Najemikon on February 28, 2010, 09:55:48 PM
How and when did it happen, that Zoe goes from disliking Wash to loving him?
I prefer that to be left unexplained, especially as I think a lot of enduring relationships start like that...
Post by: Tom on February 28, 2010, 10:01:50 PM
How and when did it happen, that Zoe goes from disliking Wash to loving him?
I prefer that to be left unexplained, especially as I think a lot of enduring relationships start like that...
I don't want to necessarily see the relationship begin. But I would have liked to see a moment from the past, where Zoe has a "maybe this guy isn't so bad after all"-moment.
Post by: Tom on February 28, 2010, 10:32:49 PM
Writer: Jose Molina (Writer)
Director: Allan Kroeker
Cast: Nathan Fillion (Mal), Gina Torres (Zoe), Alan Tudyk (Wash), Morena Baccarin (Inara), Adam Baldwin (Jayne), Jewel Staite (Kaylee), Sean Maher (Simon), Summer Glau (River), Ron Glass (Shepherd Book), Blake Robbins (Agent McGinnis), Jeff Ricketts (Blue Glove Man #1), Dennis Cockrum (Blue Glove Man #2), Tom Virtue (Pompous Doctor), Roma Chugani (Receiving Doctor), Ira Steck (Young Intern), Michael Nagy (Particularly Dressed Man), Alex Connie (Patient), Cate Cohen (Crash Team Nurse)
The episode is okay. What I really like is the end where Mal has to deal with
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Post by: Najemikon on March 06, 2010, 05:22:34 PM
4 out of 5 (if directly compared with the show)
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This is the second collected volume of the Dark Horse mini-series. Not sure if there are any more, but I do think this is an improvement on Those Left Behind in several ways.
For one, it's from the series time-line, somewhere in the middle, and is just like a regular episode that doesn't concern itself with trying to progress any of the characters (apart from a couple of brief but effective moments) and therefore isn't compromised. It's just a lot of witty, action-packed fun. Second, the artwork is lighter and so more dynamic (both by artist Will Conrad, though).
The story, again by Whedon and Brett Matthews, is great. It's about the crew pulling off a heist that actually nets them a fortune. Millions in fact. They can do whatever they want with it. There's an hilarious sequence where each relate their fantasy life; River's is my favourite (absolutely nuts!), but Kaylee has the funniest...
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Meanwhile, Inara entertains an Alliance officer, who is hunting "Dust Devils" (Independence soldiers that have continued their war as terrorists) and believes Mal to be one (there's a nice twist there actually and the reasoning is excellent). He gets captured and Zoe mounts a rescue, just like War Stories. If that's a bit repetitive, the action sequence immediately after isn't and again has a nice twist in it.
I highly recommend this to anyone who wants to spend a little more time with these brilliant characters. For those who don't or can't wait, here is the picture of River's fantasy life... :D
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Post by: goodguy on March 06, 2010, 07:00:49 PM
Serenity: Those Left Behind (Comic)
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More details of the plot are on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity:_Those_Left_Behind)...
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Then we follow the two Blue Hand guys from Ariel, still on River and Simon's trail...
Reading the Wikipedia entry, I find it rather disappointing. The Blue Hand guys were absolutely creepy on the show, but they are
Also, what I could see of the art work of both comics doesn't appeal to me. The show did a very fine balancing act with production design, costumes and the color palette. The movie already strayed away from the original visual flair and worked less for me for that reason. With the comics it seems to be even worse. Yes I know, different medium and all, but still...
I guess, I'm just not a comic book guy. I contemplated several times to give the Buffy S8 comics a try, because I found some of the spoilers intriguing. But whenever I looked at an actual page from those comics, I thought, no, rather not.
Post by: Najemikon on March 06, 2010, 07:30:24 PM
Serenity: Those Left Behind (Comic)
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More details of the plot are on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serenity:_Those_Left_Behind)...
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Then we follow the two Blue Hand guys from Ariel, still on River and Simon's trail...
Reading the Wikipedia entry, I find it rather disappointing. The Blue Hand guys were absolutely creepy on the show, but they areonetwo of those characters that will only loose if you build too much actual plot around them.
Also, what I could see of the art work of both comics doesn't appeal to me. The show did a very fine balancing act with production design, costumes and the color palette. The movie already strayed away from the original visual flair and worked less for me for that reason. With the comics it seems to be even worse. Yes I know, different medium and all, but still...
I guess, I'm just not a comic book guy. I contemplated several times to give the Buffy S8 comics a try, because I found some of the spoilers intriguing. But whenever I looked at an actual page from those comics, I thought, no, rather not.
That ties in neatly with my own complaints about the first book. The art is too stilted (which flattens the "personality" the series had with its sets) and the two assassins are a good example of where the story suffered because of it. And while it does set-up the film, their characters feel squandered. Neither story is very long, which only works for the second one which is much more fun, but still would have benefited from a different art approach. Still, if you don't like comics, you aren't going to be converted.
Post by: Tom on March 06, 2010, 07:42:38 PM
Also I was often tempted to get into the Buffy comics. But the problem is, that there are so many already. I am using the Serenity comics to test the waters with Joss Whedon's comic adaptions of one of his series. If I would have loved it, I would have run out and gotten the Buffy comics on the spot. But going by what I have seen so far, I am not so keen on it yet.
Post by: Najemikon on March 06, 2010, 08:14:33 PM
Post by: Tom on March 06, 2010, 11:17:55 PM
Writer: Cheryl Cain (Writer)
Director: James Contner
Cast: Nathan Fillion (Mal), Gina Torres (Zoe), Alan Tudyk (Wash), Morena Baccarin (Inara), Adam Baldwin (Jayne), Jewel Staite (Kaylee), Sean Maher (Simon), Summer Glau (River), Ron Glass (Shepherd Book), Michael Fairman (Adelai Niska), Katherine Kendall (Councillor), Rolando Molina (Bolles), John Dunn (Torturer), Michael A. Bentt (Viktor), Adam Pilver (Vanilla Husband), Johnny Shakespeare (Torture Victim), Jason Van (Man)
A great episode. It's fun how the crew react when Inara brings a female client on board (Jayne: "I'll be in my bunk" :laugh:)
I have no problems with the sudden appearence of Wash's jealousy. I thought it was fitting. And for the first time we see River in action, which is a great scene.
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Post by: Najemikon on March 07, 2010, 12:53:03 AM
I have no problems with the sudden appearence of Wash's jealousy. I thought it was fitting.
My only problem with it was it seem contrived for that episode. I'd have preferred that scene perhaps in the previous one, so that his desire to got with Mal had already been setup. But that's me being very picky to be fair! ;)
Post by: Tom on March 08, 2010, 10:23:01 PM
Writer: Ben Edlund (Writer), Jose Molina (Writer)
Director: Vern Gillum
Cast: Nathan Fillion (Mal), Gina Torres (Zoe), Alan Tudyk (Wash), Morena Baccarin (Inara), Adam Baldwin (Jayne), Jewel Staite (Kaylee), Sean Maher (Simon), Summer Glau (River), Ron Glass (Shepherd Book), Christina Hendricks (Saffron/Bridget/Yolanda), Franc Ross (Monty Reynolds), Dwier Brown (Durran Haymer), John Eric Bentley (Police Sergeant)
The story itself is nothing special, but enjoyable. The best parts are when Simon and River are confronting Jayne about Ariel and when Mal acts like it was part of the plan that he lost his clothes.
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Post by: Tom on March 08, 2010, 11:16:00 PM
Writer: Joss Whedon (Writer), Tim Minear (Writer)
Director: Tim Minear
Cast: Nathan Fillion (Mal), Gina Torres (Zoe), Alan Tudyk (Wash), Morena Baccarin (Inara), Adam Baldwin (Jayne), Jewel Staite (Kaylee), Sean Maher (Simon), Summer Glau (River), Ron Glass (Shepherd Book), Jonathan M. Woodward (Tracey), Richard Burgi (Lieutenant Womack), Al Pugliese (Amnon), Tod Nakamura (Fendris), Craig Vincent (Skunk), Morgan Rusler (Barker), Joss Whedon (Man at Funeral (uncredited))
A good episode, but not one of my favorites. Best part is how Jayne is proudly wearing the funny hat his mother made for him. This nicely showed the softer side of him.
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Post by: goodguy on March 08, 2010, 11:25:59 PM
12. The Message
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Best part is how Jayne is proudly wearing the funny hat his mother made for him.
Not to forget River: "My food is problematic." and "You're such a boob."
Post by: Najemikon on March 08, 2010, 11:40:23 PM
12. The Message
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Best part is how Jayne is proudly wearing the funny hat his mother made for him.
Not to forget River: "My food is problematic." and "You're such a boob."
:laugh: I love that line!
Post by: Tom on March 09, 2010, 06:53:38 PM
Writer: Brett Matthews (Writer)
Director: Thomas J. Wright
Cast: Nathan Fillion (Mal), Gina Torres (Zoe), Alan Tudyk (Wash), Morena Baccarin (Inara), Adam Baldwin (Jayne), Jewel Staite (Kaylee), Sean Maher (Simon), Summer Glau (River), Ron Glass (Shepherd Book), Melinda Clarke (Nandi), Kimberly McCullough (Chari), Fredric Lane (Ranse Burgess), Tracy Leah Ryan (Petaline), Heather Black (Helen), Angie Hart (Lucy), Doan Ly (Emma), Sandy Mulvihill (Belinda), Jim Lau (Narrator)
I don't like the storyline itself. It is just so clichéd: A whorehouse is terrorized and the good guys come in and safe them.
But there are some great character scenes which save the episode. Like when Inara breaks down after she learned that Mal spent the night with her friend.
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Post by: Tom on March 09, 2010, 07:37:52 PM
Writer: Joss Whedon (Writer)
Director: Joss Whedon
Cast: Nathan Fillion (Mal), Gina Torres (Zoe), Alan Tudyk (Wash), Morena Baccarin (Inara), Adam Baldwin (Jayne), Jewel Staite (Kaylee), Sean Maher (Simon), Summer Glau (River), Ron Glass (Shepherd Book), Richard Brooks (Jubal Early)
A great final episode. Finally River really gets to shine. It's sad that the series did not continue.
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Post by: goodguy on March 09, 2010, 09:31:10 PM
13. Heart Of Gold
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It is just so clichéd...
Yes, it is. Complete with a rendition of Amazing Grace. But it is Angie Heart who sings. And Melinda Clarke who plays. In my book, you can be as clichéd as you want and then some if you are able to pull it of. So you get the simplest of episodes before the most complex one and both are excellent.
Post by: Najemikon on March 09, 2010, 09:41:31 PM
13. Heart Of Gold
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It is just so clichéd...
Yes, it is. Complete with a rendition of Amazing Grace. But it is Angie Heart who sings. And Melinda Clarke who plays. In my book, you can be as clichéd as you want and then some if you are able to pull it of. So you get the simplest of episodes before the most complex one and both are excellent.
My sentiments too. I'd like to add that one of Firefly's tricks was to play up to conventions. It took its Western roots to heart so much that the point of such clichés was to be explicit. The whorehouse is a common plot, but so was the train job and the multiple bar fights. Westerns continually reinvent themselves and it would have been dishonest to have ignored them.
Post by: Tom on March 14, 2010, 03:53:25 PM
Post by: Najemikon on March 14, 2010, 04:04:36 PM
Karsten, can you put this thread into your Complete List of Series Marathon Reviews (http://www.dvdcollectorsonline.com/index.php/topic,879.0.html)? Thanks!
Woohoo! I've never been on that list before. :thumbup:
Post by: lyonsden5 on March 20, 2010, 03:02:32 PM
Every episode had one thing in common. It reminded me that the show was never given a chance and was cancelled way too early. With so much crap on TV today you think it could have found a home somewhere. It's too bad
Great series. Great characters. Great writing. Most episodes get a 4 or 5 out of 5. There were a couple I fell assleep while watching so can't really give them a high mark :laugh: