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Title: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Critter on December 30, 2010, 04:01:17 AM
TRON: Legacy 2010
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Director: Joseph Kosinski
Cast: Jeff Bridges, Garrett Hedlund and Olivia Wilde
My Thoughts:
I didn't plan on seeing this film, but I ended up going to a screening yesterday as a spur of the moment decision and I am so glad that I did. I saw this in 2D due to a mishap during booking the tickets but I am actually considering seeing it again to experience it in 3D which shows how much I enjoyed it. This movie was fun from beginning to end. Sure this wasn't the most challenging or intricate storyline I have ever witnessed, but with some films it is really more about the visuals and the sound, and this is definitely one of those films.
This film looked amazing and as some of you may know I am a real sucker for films with great animation and visual effects and in that sense TRON really takes the cake. The action scenes here were exhilarating and done very well. Everything was fast paced but unlike some action films with heavy visual effects (most things my Michael Bay) we could actually follow the action and see what was happening here, rather than just blurs of images and sounds. Many people have been praising Daft Punks original soundtrack to this film and I was most certainly not disappointed by it, the sound was amazing and fitted perfectly. I think the director knew that he was onto something with Daft Punks soundtrack as the songs are very prominent throughout the entire film, often quite loud and sometimes flowing from one track to the next making much of the film seem almost like an extended Daft Punk music video. Not that I'm really complaining about that as it just added to the fun and exciting nature of the movie.
While the storyline may not have been the most compelling thing I have seen all year, I was actually surprised by how well-developed the characters were. A few cheesy lines aside, mostly delivered by Jeff Bridges character, I actually found myself caring for the three main stars, especially Olivia Wilde's character Quorra. I was quite pleasantly by her character as when I first saw that Wilde had been cast in a role where she would be in skin-tight clothing the entire time it seemed that she would be used as typical eye-candy for the film, yet her character showed almost more substance than everyone else. We ended up with someone who is strong, highly intelligent, loyal, a good fighter and even more surprisingly someone who posessed almost childlike playfulness about her. It really is hard not to like a character like that.
Garrett Hedlund also gave a great performance as our protagonist Sam. He was also very easy to like and relate to as a character which made viewing this film even better. While I loved seeing this film in the cinema I can see this being something I would not get much rewatch value out of on blu-ray or DVD. In that sense it reminds me a lot of Avatar. Some films are just simply put awesome cinema experiences, the big screen, huge sound all added up to a great film, but in the end the fact that I wasn't really blown away by the story in any sense means I probably won't get as much joy out of this film on a normal TV screen. Either way I recommend this to anyone looking for something fun to see in the cinemas over the Christmas break.
Rating: 3½/5
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Najemikon on December 30, 2010, 10:09:24 PM
Good review, Sophie, just about how I felt about it when I saw it last week. Difficult sell though and I hope it finds a good audience. The original was naive and clunky, but had such charm it carried it through. Not the best basis for a sequel, but they did fairly well.
I saw it in 3D and I am now absolutely, 100% convinced it is a con. There is little to no benefit seeing it in 3D, you have to pay extra for the "privilege" and as I saw with Avatar, they take a film which -whatever you think about it- is sharp and striking visually and then ask you to watch it with bloody sunglasses on! ???
3D in its current form is an insult to cinematographers. Just think about the work that goes into getting the balance of light correct in photographs. Next time you flick through a photo album, remember to put your sunglasses on first. :redcard:
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: goodguy on December 30, 2010, 11:07:10 PM
I saw it in 3D and I am now absolutely, 100% convinced it is a con. There is little to no benefit seeing it in 3D, you have to pay extra for the "privilege" and as I saw with Avatar, they take a film which -whatever you think about it- is sharp and striking visually and then ask you to watch it with bloody sunglasses on! ???
So far, I have never seen a 3D movie. I'm tempted to give Werner Herzog's Caves of Forgotten Dreams a try when it finally comes to German cinemas next year. But even there the reviews indicate that the 3D doesn't really work. And I will definitely see Wim Wenders' Pina, although I'm skeptical about its 3D as well. On the other hand, if even real filmmakers fail to get the technology to work, it will reassure me that I don't have to pay attention to it at all.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dr. Hasslein on December 30, 2010, 11:08:59 PM
3D is bullshit! I fell sorry for all those suckers who have bought 3D TVs. Apart from the 3D titles on blu-ray the TV networks here in Australian hardly ever broadcast anything in 3D.
Anyway good review Sophie. I've never seen the original Tron, Disney has never been my cup of tea.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Jimmy on December 30, 2010, 11:26:57 PM
The original was a fun and pretty impressive film (it was when I saw it at 12 years old). I even remember playing the game at the video arcade (an ok one, but not a favorite of mine).
I know I will sound like a broken record but I won't see the remake/sequel, I prefer to keep my childhood memory as they are (without 3D and bad acting).
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Najemikon on December 30, 2010, 11:40:01 PM
Jimmy, Jeff Bridges is great in this and he plays essentially three parts, via cgi which ranges from dodgy to astonishing. It must have been fun for him to go back to his Starman look for a bit. That alone is worth seeing because it's kind of nostalgic. Plus, Bruce Boxleitner is really good. That man deserves more work.
So far, I have never seen a 3D movie. I'm tempted to give Werner Herzog's Caves of Forgotten Dreams a try when it finally comes to German cinemas next year. But even there the reviews indicate that the 3D doesn't really work. And I will definitely see Wim Wenders' Pina, although I'm skeptical about its 3D as well. On the other hand, if even real filmmakers fail to get the technology to work, it will reassure me that I don't have to pay attention to it at all.
If it wasn't for the sunglasses I'd be more positive considering Scorcese's work on The Invention of Hugo Cabret. It is a beautiful book which you might have seen me speak about before and apparently he is doing that in 3D. Maybe he'll keep it black and white too... that should help.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Critter on December 30, 2010, 11:47:25 PM
I kind of like 3D. Especially in some movies like computer animated ones. It adds another layer to the film and makes it more immersive without detracting from the actual story (if done well). I think 3D is crap when it's just that gimmicky stuff flying in your face, but when they are genuinely trying to make the film a more immersive experience then it's kind of cool.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: goodguy on December 31, 2010, 12:12:16 AM
Maybe he'll keep it black and white too... that should help.
On a side note: Have you seen Coppola's Tetro? It might be not entirely your thing, but that has to be the most beautiful looking B&W film of recent years.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Najemikon on December 31, 2010, 12:17:49 AM
No, I want to though because it sounded like he was making an effort again. He should be a favourite director of many, including myself, considering The Godfather, Apocalypse Now and The Conversation. But he just went off the boil so damn fast.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dragonfire on January 02, 2011, 08:25:00 AM
I've been interested in seeing this one..I haven't yet. Not sure I'll get to. I don't remember seeing much, if any of the original.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Critter on January 02, 2011, 08:37:08 AM
I haven't seen the original. I watched the first 20 minutes of it and never finished it. Even though I hadn't seen the original I didn't feel like that was an issue with this film.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dragonfire on January 02, 2011, 08:50:27 AM
I know I've seen images from the first one...maybe a scene or two..but that's it.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Jimmy on January 02, 2011, 10:08:35 AM
You're too young Marie :tease:
I remember that when it was released the original was a revolution and something never seen on the screen. Sure it can looks cheap for the audience of today (an oppinion I don't share of course), but it was unique. The new one is in 3D, so what? Everything is in 3D now, even Yogi Bear for God sakes is. If something didn't need a film it's sure that, maybe the next one will starring Wally Gator or Touché Turtle and Dum Dum :laugh: (I laugh but I would buy a cartoon with Touché the Turtle, it was a fun one).
I can tell you one thing for sure : Tron and Flash Gordon are two great memories of my younger years and I doubt highly that anyone will remember Tron Legacy in 2 years.
Revolutionary concept always stay, but unoriginal cash ripoff disapear fast...
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Najemikon on January 02, 2011, 01:18:04 PM
:( Oh, Jimmy, I wish you'd calm down sometimes. It really makes me sad to see you so aggressive. You don't have to watch Tron Legacy in 3D, but however you watch it, your argument is badly flawed.
Tron has a reputation and is fondly remembered, but it is not a very good film. It was a silly story designed to exploit visual effects of the time. It was little more than a demo to show off fancy effects. The sequel is doing exactly the same. The irony is, many of the major developments of CGI, motion capture and even 3D, that you rant and rave against so strongly... are precisely because of Tron!
Of course, I enjoyed Tron for what it was, but it is not a film to be taken seriously. Neither is the sequel. For crying out loud, lighten up.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Critter on January 02, 2011, 01:53:57 PM
The irony is, many of the major developments of CGI, motion capture and even 3D, that you rant and rave against so strongly... are precisely because of Tron!
This is true! I remember watching a Pixar doco once and I think it was John Lasseter... or someone who said that TRON was a real revolution for Pixar as a company. They saw what computers could be used for in film in the original TRON and it really inspired them to go out and work as hard as they could on developing their own computer animation for film... and look where they are now! So in that respect I really do have a lot of gratitude towards TRON. :laugh:
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Jimmy on January 02, 2011, 08:24:59 PM
:( Oh, Jimmy, I wish you'd calm down sometimes. It really makes me sad to see you so aggressive.
Where I'm aggresssive in that post Jon? Colour me confuse since it wasn't the case at all... Why each time I say I prefer the original movies and don't see remake necessary you came to their rescue? I can understand teenageers1 liking them (and forget them 2 weeks after) since they don't know better, but not from you Jon :shrug:
Don't worry it's not Kung-Fu Kid all over again, even if I continue to not understand your defense of this "film". But you can't expect me to have an hard on each time a film like that is named....
BTW 3D were used akready as a gimmick in the fifties, the sixties, the seventies and the early eighties. I don't thing Tron have something to do with the fact that Robot Monster was in 3D ...
1. It's teenager in general and not someone in particular.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Najemikon on January 02, 2011, 09:40:26 PM
I don't always come to their rescue and the notion of remakes and pointless sequels frustrates me, but I do defend ones that show some kind of heart and effort. Tron Legacy is far from good, but it's harmless fun.
What I meant by aggressive is that you are always so quick to dive in and declare such films "pointless", "rip off", etc, even when you haven't seen it and you're invariably replying to one of us who have made an effort to tell you why it's ok. I'm quick enough to shoot down the ones that don't work (Crazies, for instance).
It was especially annoying this time because the original Tron wasn't exactly one of your much loved independents. It was made for commercial reasons. If this was the fourth or fifth sequel, I could understand it, but the first one is well over 25 years old. It no longer has a built-in audience, so the writers had a clear idea they wanted to develop. Not cashing in on a beloved franchise.
And no, of course 3D has been around much longer, but modern 3D ties in with other CGI developments that Tron was responsible for.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Jimmy on January 02, 2011, 10:01:22 PM
What I meant by aggressive is that you are always so quick to dive in and declare such films "pointless", "rip off", etc, even when you haven't seen it and you're invariably replying to one of us who have made an effort to tell you why it's ok.
Got it, I tought you said I was angry in the post that's why I was confused.
As I said already in the past for modern movies the trailer is quite enough to judge if the film will be good or not. I don't see any any reason to spend my money on a film when the trailer doesn't sell it to me whatever praise it could get...
I haven't seen Batman Begins because of the praise it got, I haven't seen Avatar because of the praise it got and I haven't seen Kung-Fu Kid because of the praise it got (even yours and I respect your movie tastes with some exception).
The trailer for the Tron remake didn't impress me so I'll spend my money on something else and hapilly rewatch the original when I'll feel like it.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Critter on January 03, 2011, 12:18:13 AM
Where I'm aggresssive in that post Jon? Colour me confuse since it wasn't the case at all... Why each time I say I prefer the original movies and don't see remake necessary you came to their rescue? I can understand teenageers1 liking them (and forget them 2 weeks after) since they don't know better, but not from you Jon :shrug:
.....
1. It's teenager in general and not someone in particular.
Jimmy, as a teenager I am starting to get really frustrated with the way you keep stereotyping all of us and talking down to us. Please stop doing it. I am one and I know many teenagers who extremely intelligent well-rounded people, and I know you are just having a jab at our taste in film here but I also know many teenagers who understand film more than a lot of adults that I know.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dr. Hasslein on January 03, 2011, 12:30:30 AM
I bet if TRON: Legacy contained pornography Jimmy would watch it. :hysterical:
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Najemikon on January 03, 2011, 12:48:42 AM
This is the point I keep struggling to explain. Jimmy is quite right, that there is a certain type of film aimed at teenagers in general because they are the group with the biggest returns. He has a point there and doesn't intend to include you, Sophie.
Jimmy, it's when you disregard Sophie's notes on the film that you imply she is one of the many who fell for a marketing gimmick. All we're trying to do is distinguish films like Tron from crap like Date Movie...
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Critter on January 03, 2011, 12:53:36 AM
This is the point I keep struggling to explain. Jimmy is quite right, that there is a certain type of film aimed at teenagers in general because they are the group with the biggest returns. He has a point there and doesn't intend to include you, Sophie.
Jimmy, it's when you disregard Sophie's notes on the film that you imply she is one of the many who fell for a marketing gimmick. All we're trying to do is distinguish films like Tron from crap like Date Movie...
Actually Jimmy did you even read my review of the film? I basically said it was a lot of fun to see in the cinema and looked great but not something I would purchase on DVD and watch again and again due to it's weaker storyline. Yes teenagers will see these films in the cinema, but the difference I see between most teenagers and someone like Jimmy is that they will usually give everything a go before judging it. This may be the latest hits or much older black and white films, either way most teenagers I know, which is basically all of my friends will watch something before they wrongly judge it.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Kathy on January 03, 2011, 01:10:48 AM
Sometimes I am very happy that I am not a film connoisseur. I watch a movie to escape for a little while. I want to laugh, cry, be swept away by the action - anything that takes me to a different place or teaches me new things,
I don't care if a film is a re-make or not. I base my enjoyment of that film and how it makes me feel. I don't compare one film to another - that just doesn't matter to me.
I seldom watch a movie trailer - strange as that may seem to most of you - even the ones posted here. Once in a great while I may watch one but as a general rule - no.
Some of my favorite films are those that I never heard about and just happened to pick up for one reason or another.
Of course I love the big block buster type films too.
Okay...I admit it...I'm easy to please.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dragonfire on January 03, 2011, 01:36:58 AM
I'm not as picky as some people about movies. I have liked a lot of movies that a lot of people haven't liked..and I haven't liked movies that a lot of people loved.
I do enjoy some movies considered bad because I find them entertaining.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: hal9g on January 03, 2011, 01:38:05 AM
As I said already in the past for modern movies the trailer is quite enough to judge if the film will be good or not. I don't see any any reason to spend my money on a film when the trailer doesn't sell it to me whatever praise it could get...
It seems a bit iffy to me to make a decision about whether to see a movie or not based on the trailer. This cuts in both directions. I've seen some trailers that have really done little justice for the film in question, but more often than not, the trailer presents the most enticing clips from the film which turns out to be not nearly as good in whole.
I actually make my decisions based mainly on the genre, followed by the actors in the movie, followed by who directed it. I don't think I've ever made a viewing or buying decision based on a trailer. I have however, made several completely blind purchases based on the factors I've mentioned.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Jimmy on January 03, 2011, 02:16:48 AM
Actually Jimmy did you even read my review of the film?
Yes I did and I wrote neutral comment after it. The other sooner today was neutral also, I think everybody here know how I write when something piss me off and it wasn't a message like that. I really don't see why there is a big deal because I don't like my childhood memories turned as gimmick movie for dumb kids (and no I don't include you in this, since you aren't one).
they will usually give everything a go before judging it.
Not the first time and I'm sure it won't be the last one you use this... So I repeat myself again : contrary to the teenagers this isn't my dad and mother who pay my expenses (you would be surprise but us adult had a lot of financials responsabilities) and I don't spend my limited budget on thing I know I don't like. That sound as stupid than spending my cash to drink wine when I know I don't like the taste because I must taste each mark...
the trailer presents the most enticing clips from the film which turns out to be not nearly as good in whole.
That why I said modern movies, since now the trailer is the good parts of the film. If a trailer doesn't look good the film won't also.
For the older films I don't need a trailer to buy, since it's easy to know if the film will be good with the actors involved, the director and the company who had release it
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Critter on January 03, 2011, 02:47:34 AM
This isn't funny since I don't watch pornography...
Maybe you can help me out with this, I always did wonder what the difference between porn and adult cinema is. I always thought it was just the same thing.
Maybe you can help me out with this, I always did wonder what the difference between porn and adult cinema is. I always thought it was just the same thing.
Easy you got it in the name ;D Adult cinema wich is the genre of film I watch and review are film with a story where the sex isn't a necessity to the enjoyment, simply said it's a film who rest a film without the harcore parts. Those films were made between 1970 and 1985 with big budget, real actors (from theatre, television, publicity, broadway, ...), talented director and professional crew team working on regular movies.
Pornography is made on video with no professional actors where the sex is the only important thing. Most of them are boring, not enjoyable, made on a formula, don't have a real story, fill with lookalike performers, not really well made technically and to be direct nothing more than a masturbation tool for guys. Not the kind of thing I enjoy and review.
It isn't a generalization when it's true. Seriously tell me one film you have dislike the trailer of that was a good one?
Kick-Ass: The original trailers were terrible, I thought it was going to be another one of those 'Superhero Movie' type parody films and didn't want to see it. It ended up being one of my favourite films of the year.
Tomorrow, When the War Begun: I watched the trailer for this one and had no desire to see it at all, I thought the trailer made it look really lame but I saw it anyway and it ended up being another of my faves for the year.
Bran Nue Dae: I actually cringed watching the trailer for this film, it looked like a musical gone wrong, and I like musicals. Yet when I saw it at the cinema I ended up really enjoying it and had a great time.
Those are just a couple I can think of off the top of my head from films I saw at the cinemas in 2010, I could think of plenty more though if we went back a few years. I can also think of equally as many films where the trailer made the movie look amazing but I ended up being disappointed by it.
Thanks for the porn v Adult cinema explanation.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Najemikon on January 03, 2011, 03:39:01 AM
Jimmy, just to add to the trailer thing... for me, A.I. Trailers are often not done by the directors, but someone interpreting the story and attempting to sell it to the audience they want, not necessarily the one intended by the director. Steven Spielberg was incensed by the first trailer for A.I. because it was out of his hands and mis-sold the film. He created a new one himself.
I loved the trailers for Kick Ass, but I think I already knew what it was. Can't remember for sure.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dr. Hasslein on January 03, 2011, 03:41:55 AM
What about the trailer for Scott Pilgrim vs. The World? That's was a terrible trailer. I haven't seen it but it's generally regarded as a good movie. I felt embarrassed and a shamed to be someone who likes video games. It was the most juvenile trailer I've ever seen and once again Michael Crea as Michael Cera.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Critter on January 03, 2011, 03:43:28 AM
There were some Kick-Ass trailers closer to the release date that showed proper footage from the film, including scenes of violence and Hit-Girl swearing etc which gave me a better idea of what the film would actually be like. I remember the first one or two trailers took extra care not to show anything even slightly offensive and I remember thinking "that movie looks boring and horrible". In those early stages it really did look like some bad superhero parody film.
What about the trailer for Scott Pilgrim vs. The World? That's was a terrible trailer. I haven't seen it but it's generally regarded as a good movie. I felt embarrassed and a shamed to be someone who likes video games. It was the most juvenile trailer I've ever seen and once again Michael Crea as Michael Cera.
The first trailer I saw for Scott Pilgrim was an amazing one, and it made me so excited for the film! But then after that I saw some really poorly made ones that made the film look crap. So I suppose it also depends on which order you watch the trailers in.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Najemikon on January 03, 2011, 03:46:23 AM
Hmmm... I've just seen Pilgrim. The trailer was just about spot on, I think. The gaming aspect of it is huge, in fact it's the plot. But I found it nostalgic, a throwback to the nature of coin operated classic 80s video game machines. Wonderful stuff! As a proper gamer, I think if you watch the film, you may feel a nostalgic tug for those more naive days.
The opening Universal logo has been redone in pixels and 8-bit sound too! :laugh:
There were some Kick-Ass trailers closer to the release date that showed proper footage from the film, including scenes of violence and Hit-Girl swearing etc which gave me a better idea of what the film would actually be like. I remember the first one or two trailers took extra care not to show anything even slightly offensive and I remember thinking "that movie looks boring and horrible". In those early stages it really did look like some bad superhero parody film.
Ahhh, the first teaser clips I saw were the guy at the start crashing into the car and the "I want a puppy..." scene that ended, "I'm just f***ing with you, dad!", so I was in the zone straightaway! :laugh:
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dr. Hasslein on January 03, 2011, 03:52:05 AM
The opening Universal logo has been redone in pixels and 8-bit sound too! :laugh:
I might just see it now, just for that alone. But I really think the whole 'nostalgia is cool thing' in movies is really getting old.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Najemikon on January 03, 2011, 03:55:18 AM
Trust me, my friend, there is nothing, I repeat nothing old about Pilgrim. It's unique and brilliant and I doubt anyone will pull off anything quite like it for some time.
Certainly Edgar Wright has made a career out of very effective nostalgia trips. Spaced, Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz are all parodies in a sense. But Pilgrim, while it still does that... is so very clever.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Critter on January 03, 2011, 03:55:36 AM
Haven't you seen it Kevin? I really enjoyed it, I even went to Melbourne to see an advanced screening of it, first showing in Australia by a week and a half for MIFF.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dr. Hasslein on January 03, 2011, 03:59:33 AM
I haven't seen it. And it will take a lot to convince me, being that I found the trailer to be so discouraging.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Jimmy on January 03, 2011, 04:37:13 AM
Contrary to what some seem to think I can watch and enjoy new film. I just don't watch them because the hype tell me to do so. Just some exemples :
Les septs jours du tallion (easilly the best french canadian film of last year) The Texas Chainsaw Massacre (see I can even enjoy a remake, the trailer was excellent) The Myst (except for the end in B/W this movie is good) Ocean 11 (nice surprise, but the sequel is awfull) Suzie Heartless (a very depressing one from Tony Marsiglia) The Seduction of Misty Mundae (a masterpiece from my friend Michael Rasso) A Better Place (an obscure gem from Vincent Perreira) Chantal (another depressing one from Tony Marsiglia) Saw (the first one was interesting as is and no sequels were necessary) .....
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Jimmy on January 03, 2011, 01:29:38 PM
Since Kevin had deleted his message, this is a screen capture of it. (http://img37.imagefra.me/i513/aesp_pres/gods_483_ua0eg.jpg) and my reply is for this message and none of the precedent one...
Who the fuck you think you are? :thumbdown:
It's the second time today that you did a jab at the genre of cinema I watch. BTW I watch far more than that and I consider myself as an expert on obscure exploitation cinema of the sixties and the seventies, so next time take the time to check what I own and what I've wrote about before you'll do another stupid comment like that.
I'm here since day one, so I think I know what are the practice around here. If I want to answer a topic post 3 years ago to add some info I can do it, so it is certainly permited for a subject open less than a week ago whatever you like it or not...
This is certainly not a guy who is here since 2 months who will tell me how this forum works, attack me for what I watch or tell me to shut up :thumbdown:
So to really close this discussion you can go fuck yourself and play the majorette as you do most of the time :thumbdown:
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Critter on January 03, 2011, 01:31:58 PM
Really Jimmy I think we should calm down a little. What he said wasn't even that bad. He maybe just took your attitude the wrong way as he isn't used to it yet.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Jimmy on January 03, 2011, 01:41:57 PM
Yes it was and I'm sure perfectly right to be pissed off at this...
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dr. Hasslein on January 03, 2011, 01:46:51 PM
I love this place. :hysterical:
Look I admit it's wasn't the smartest thing to say, you've clearly expressed how you feel so let's just leave it at that.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Najemikon on January 03, 2011, 01:50:25 PM
Jimmy, it's just unfortunate people will always make this assumption.
Adult Cinema is not Pornography. If you read Jimmy's reviews he makes that distinction very clear. He watches films from the exploitation period, where film-makers were not restricted by censorship, but storytelling was intact. Porn is very different.
Mind you, as I often tell him, most of what he watches looks like crap, but that's just me... :tease: Seriously, you should see the version of Fantastic Four he prefers. :bag:
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Jimmy on January 03, 2011, 01:59:27 PM
Jimmy, it's just unfortunate people will always make this assumption.
Wich is quite sad and depressing (even more when I've explain the difference for Sophie yesterday). Of course this kind of people will be the first to rent or watch a movie because whoever flavour of the month actresses is topless in it...
And FF94 rules :thumbup:
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Critter on January 03, 2011, 02:01:51 PM
Wich is quite sad and depressing (even more when I've explain the difference for Sophie yesterday).
That actually was a really good explanation. :laugh: I still don't exactly have interest or respect for either genre, but at least I know the difference now.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dr. Hasslein on January 03, 2011, 02:12:58 PM
Alright there is a difference, but like Sophie I too don't exactly have interest or respect for either. In my opinion in terms if cinema it's of the lowest standard.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: NickCalder15 on January 03, 2011, 02:36:15 PM
Mmm.....you make it sound interesting :-\
I'm still yet to see it. I was gonna see it until the reviews came in. Then I read some of them and was immediately turned off. Then some of my friends start praising it.....gah I dunno what to think anymore! ;D
I might see it when it comes out on blu-ray. Avatar was hyped to this massive 3-D spectacular (and was that) but I still enjoy it on blu-ray. I'm sure Tron is appealing enough for me to watch it in HD at home. At least then I don't have to deal with collapsed ceilings at my cinema like the one today ::)
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: DJ Doena on January 03, 2011, 02:42:03 PM
In my opinion in terms if cinema it's of the lowest standard.
It's all a matter of perception I think. Please let's not bash each other just because we have a lot of members here who watch films outside the narrow bandwidth that is "hollywood mainstream" (aside from Jimmy, take a look at our fans of the korean and indian movies).
Just like with books and art there's all kind of way to express yourself.
My stance has always been: If you don't care for it, just ignore it. Makes life much more easier. Which is also the reason why - until now - I didn't even bother to look into a thread called "TRON: Legacy".
So please argue about all kinds of movies all you want, but don't insult people just because they watch a different kind of movie than you do.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Achim on January 03, 2011, 04:21:25 PM
Alright there is a difference, but like Sophie I too don't exactly have interest or respect for either. In my opinion in terms if cinema it's of the lowest standard.
Are you saying you consider one of them in the lowest type, or both? And what makes it the lowest form of cinema? The nudity and sex scenes?
I've seen some really good movies that had nudity or sex scenes in them...should those movies be dismissed just because of that?
Sorry...I wasn't going to say anything about all this..but I decided I was going to. Not trying to derail the thread or stir up anything..but since it came up...
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dr. Hasslein on January 03, 2011, 10:26:48 PM
For me it's both, I just think overall the quality is poor.
I too have seen some really good movies containing sex and nudity, Auto Focus is a good example. Have you seen that?
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dragonfire on January 03, 2011, 11:23:51 PM
No I haven't seen that one.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Critter on January 03, 2011, 11:29:24 PM
Maybe you can help me out with this, I always did wonder what the difference between porn and adult cinema is. I always thought it was just the same thing.
Easy you got it in the name ;D Adult cinema wich is the genre of film I watch and review are film with a story where the sex isn't a necessity to the enjoyment, simply said it's a film who rest a film without the harcore parts. Those films were made between 1970 and 1985 with big budget, real actors (from theatre, television, publicity, broadway, ...), talented director and professional crew team working on regular movies.
Pornography is made on video with no professional actors where the sex is the only important thing. Most of them are boring, not enjoyable, made on a formula, don't have a real story, fill with lookalike performers, not really well made technically and to be direct nothing more than a masturbation tool for guys. Not the kind of thing I enjoy and review.
I know we should probably let this thread die already but I just have one more quick question for Jimmy re his explanation of porn v adult cinema. Purely out of curiosity. Is adult cinema where the actors are having real sex on screen instead of just acting? For example, if there is a film that has a lot of sex scenes but the actors are just acting then could it still be considered adult cinema, or is it only when the actors actually have sex on screen?
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dr. Hasslein on January 03, 2011, 11:30:39 PM
If you were a fan of Bob Crane from Hogan's Heroes you might want to check it out. It's a very good biopic and quite graphic.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dr. Hasslein on January 03, 2011, 11:32:13 PM
Maybe you can help me out with this, I always did wonder what the difference between porn and adult cinema is. I always thought it was just the same thing.
Easy you got it in the name ;D Adult cinema wich is the genre of film I watch and review are film with a story where the sex isn't a necessity to the enjoyment, simply said it's a film who rest a film without the harcore parts. Those films were made between 1970 and 1985 with big budget, real actors (from theatre, television, publicity, broadway, ...), talented director and professional crew team working on regular movies.
Pornography is made on video with no professional actors where the sex is the only important thing. Most of them are boring, not enjoyable, made on a formula, don't have a real story, fill with lookalike performers, not really well made technically and to be direct nothing more than a masturbation tool for guys. Not the kind of thing I enjoy and review.
I know we should probably let this thread die already but I just have one more quick question for Jimmy re his explanation of porn v adult cinema. Purely out of curiosity. Is adult cinema where the actors are having real sex on screen instead of just acting? For example, if there is a film that has a lot of sex scenes but the actors are just acting then could it still be considered adult cinema, or is it only when the actors actually have sex on screen?
That's a really good question, I'm curious to know that myself.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Achim on January 03, 2011, 11:36:54 PM
Yes, adult cinema usually means that the sex scenes are real. It is different to porn as that the film in it's entirety has an actual plot; it just so happens that the sex scenes are explicit.
I actually own one myself. It's a Swedish film called Thriller. While there is only a single sex scene in this one (I guess most adult cinema films will have several ones), it is explicit (no imagination needed). In this particular case there is an R-rated cut of the film avaiable as well, which has the scenes edited accordingly.
Those kind of films films are mainly from the 70s, when such films were still shown in cinemas. If I understand it correctly, such films are practically no longer made.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dr. Hasslein on January 03, 2011, 11:40:28 PM
Would you class the movie Shortbus as adult cinema or art-house? The sex scenes in that are all real but given the plot and and style I'm would say more art house.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Achim on January 03, 2011, 11:52:22 PM
Would you class the movie Shortbus as adult cinema or art-house? The sex scenes in that are all real but given the plot and and style I'm would say more art house.
Since you see the lines blurred for this example, you will find the lines are just as blurred for other films as well ;)
I have heard about Shortbus but haven't seen it myself, so wouldn't want t give final judgment whether it's adult film.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Najemikon on January 03, 2011, 11:57:46 PM
Would you class the movie Shortbus as adult cinema or art-house? The sex scenes in that are all real but given the plot and and style I'm would say more art house.
Ah, now this is where it gets interesting. I haven't seen it either, but why couldn't an Adult Film be considered Arthouse?
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Dr. Hasslein on January 04, 2011, 12:03:10 AM
I don't know, I haven't seen enough of the genre to make that distinction. This is becoming quite an educational thread isn't it.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: goodguy on January 04, 2011, 12:12:17 AM
So, how much sex and nudity involving Olivia Wilde is in Tron: Legacy? :whistle: I wish she had stayed on House instead btw. :(
From my review:
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I actually found myself caring for the three main stars, especially Olivia Wilde's character Quorra. I was pleasantly surprised by her character as when I first saw that Wilde had been cast in a role where she would be in skin-tight clothing the entire time it seemed that she would be used as typical eye-candy for the film, yet her character showed almost more substance than everyone else. We ended up with someone who is strong, highly intelligent, loyal, a good fighter and even more surprisingly someone who posessed almost childlike playfulness about her. It really is hard not to like a character like that.
No sex, no nudity but a strong and intelligent character who Olivia Wilde portrayed brilliantly.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: goodguy on January 04, 2011, 01:19:39 AM
I did read your review, Sophie. I was just having a little fun with all the adult/porn discussion under the heading of a PG-rated movie.
Title: Re: TRON: Legacy
Post by: Critter on January 04, 2011, 01:22:30 AM
Haha oh yes the adult/porn discussion, whoops. Sorry about that, I thought that perhaps you (like so many others unfortunately) were jumping to the conclusion that Olivia Wilde can only be some sort of sex icon instead of a real character. It is a shame but with all the hype surrounding her appearance (winning countless hottest 100 lists etc) a lot of people seem to have forgotten that she is actually a really talented actress as well.